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August 2013

 

Attilio Polifrone - dobermann breeder and judge

 

Michal Jakubowsky: As dobermann judge you are known for couple of years but your adventure with dobermanns has longer tradition. How and when all has started?

Attilio Polifrone: My passion with this fabulous breed started when I was only 11 years old. At that time the only scource of information consisted from books and printed magazines. I remember that I was reading immediately every book where I could find any piece of information related to dobermanns. Moreover, I was writing letters to different breeders asking them for photos and details about their dogs. I tried even to call them but I was not taken seriously considering my young age. Few years later in 1988 I got in touch with Margherita Buzzi. I fell in love in photo of Quinn dei Nobili Nati and I had a dream of having a puppy out of this famous at that time Champion. My dream came true and Azur dei Nobili Nati became part of my life. We started to participate at shows. Although we didn't have big successes but on the other hand I had opportunity to meet great dobermann breeders. I remember well Piero Caliandro, Gabriele Prosperi, Giovani Capocasa, Massimo Santini, Antonio di Somma, Antonio Criscuolo, Gianni Chionna, Ernesto Vantaggi, Mauro Favero, Gabriele Cavalleri and obviously the one who noticed me, my enthusiasm, boosted my passion and became my menthor - Pierluigi Pezzano. In 1999 I got permission and started to breed dobermanns. I think that selection with respect and awareness is obligatory to get to know the breed well. I won't forget what my menthor has told me at that day -  "that is just a begining and there is a lot to learn in front".   I always try to keep it in mind. Today, looking backwards I'm aware of the fact that 25 years has passed since I  started my dobermann passion and that time is flying very fast.


M.J: Do you find dobermann an easy breed to judge?

A.P: I don't think that any breed is easy to judge. Everything is described by standard which defines the dog and at least theoretically the one who is closest to standard should win at show. Obviously, all seems to be easy in theory. We assume that knowledge of the standard is based on knowledge of dog anatomy, movement and psychology learned separately from the standard. Judging isn't simple, it's a process which takes time and is not easy to learn. Knowledge why the standard is the way iti is, as well as fundamental understanding of each parts of the standard are crucial for dobermann experts. From my point of view, breeding and living next to dobermann are very important aspects of preparation to become a dobermann judge.


M.J: What is the difference between dobermann judge and all-rounder? How the fact of being dobermann breeder influenced your judging?

A.P: I don't think that such difference exists. The judge who is eliglible to judge many breeds might have a "good eye" for all of them. It is very relative because judging is subjective and has nothing to do with scientific subject. Otherwise it would be just about measuring and assessing but judging has element of art. Success can be reached only when both art and science are combined. Judge must be ready to give arguments and explain why certain dog is better than the other. All judges have own ideal type of the breed, sometimes this type vary from others and this is the reason why we have many opinions. Does the breeding affect the judging? Of course it does and in a very possitive way. No standard covers all aspects of the breed and breeding. Living with dobermann gives you the chance to understand the breed and to judge with respect. There are only good points !



M.J: What is your definition of modern dobermann? On what every judge must pay attention?

A.P: I will start from saying that perfect dobermann is described by standard. For every judge this is obvious because judging has to be according to certarin parameters. However, as I have mentioned before, every judge has its own perfect and ideal type which usually (but not always) is close to general. Many details are judged thanks to careful observation. Keep in mind that over recent 20 years average judge had opportunity to see great breed representatives. Over this period breed had its natural evolution and quality of average dobermann has improved. However, new problems appeared which we have to face with full awareness. I think there is no change in definition of modern dobermann, it is quite simple and I will describe it briefly. It's a dog of perfect beauty, what includes in his base undeniable value. Dobermann is powerful but slim and elegant, he moves with pride. Dog of compact built and always perfect and harmonious proportions. The most important aspect which today seems to be often forgotten is expression. Character of dobermann is social and quiet but at the same time alert and brave. Dobermann is very easy to train, he loves to be a part of the family and always manifests his strong character. Judge has limited time to assess best dog and to make rank list. In the period of few minutes he has to analyze the dog carefully taking into consideration especially his good points rather than the negative ones. It is important to award dogs with harmonious and functional construction, medium-size, compact built and right proportions as well as proper lions part but furthermore expressional head with right propotions. All these features give guarantee for correct and stable movement. Behaviour in the ring is on the first place. Eye of the judge can assess even in limited time self-confidence and balanced character. Last but not least aspect is show preparation. It is not a rare phenomenon that worse dogs but with better show preparation are awarded among better ones with worse handling at scene.


M.J: Do you think that judges should be more critical towards certain aspects of dobermann conformation in order to eliminate defects (e.g wrong bridge-nose, nose colour, size, movement) which became popular in some kennels for whole generations? What judges should do to affect the breeding more by their decissions?

A.P: To be honest, work of the judge besides right judging should be dedicated to give advices for breed improvement. Good assessment is one which has impact on breeding. Never forget that each breed was created for certain reason and to determine its contruction, you must understand its function. At show-ring we can often observe powerfull dogs in terms of their size, who have high topline, long forearms, too steep angles, long heads but too strong jaws. Sometimes we see dogs with right size but too massive built, short forearms, heads with often over-marked characteristics and round, small, too deep settled eyes. There is no doubt that such dogs are not only beyond the breed standard but also won't be able to fulfil their fundamental functions. Dobermann doesn't have to follow any trends or fashion. Dobermann itself is a great combination of balance between power and elegance, always very harmonious in his form and profile based on square. Dobermann head is another separated issue which is often underestimated. Everything starts from the head, head aspects are the most important ones to determine breed type. If we still observe kennels with certain faults which are present in few generations, there might be different reasons to explain this phenomenon. If the breeder is aware of these faults what I personally doubt, perhaps he likes this type of dobermann or he used in his breeding programme few times wrong studs and females. May be even inbreded and he found himself in "black point" in his breeding. In such situation, judge may give advices towards right selection but only when his judgement is accurate. I can say with top certainty that co-operation and humility is needed by both sides. Judge decissions should be not only accepted and first of all understood. When mututal understanding is missing or ecomic aspect starts to be more important, whole process starts to be far more difficult.



M.J: According to your judging experience across different countries (Finland, Greece, Serbia, Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, Italy), have you noticed common features with dogs from certain country?

A.P: Obviously, within dobermann breed we can notice many common features, especially in dogs who came from same blood-lines with high inbreeding coefficient. It is quite easy to find same good and negative points. However, there is a lack of understanding well-defined standard coherence. Dobermann as other breeds has small genetic base, rather limited genetic resources and in consequence small genetic diversity what obviously has negative influence. It is worth to mention that over last 20 years, 90% of females were mated by not more than 10 stud males and majority of them had same ancestors. Many important kennels (from Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands etc) were closed from known reason - limited genetic potential. On the other hand, many new kennels have appeared in Russia and East-Europe but genetic-base became even smaller what resulted in today's situation when it is difficult to find good dogs who don't have common ancestors in first four generations. All these problems don't have any possitive impact not only on morphology and character but mainly on dobermann health. I think that institutions are obliged to take suitable actions and in some way it is already started. Right selection is very important but in order to succeed, all serious and carefull breeders have to do more efforts in breeding selections. Dobermann future and heritage is in their hands.


M.J: From your observation, what can be noticed in dobermann movement what can't be noticed in standing?

A.P: It's a tradition and organizational purposes that dogs are judged in movement and while they are in standing position. Breed is not judged in its natural movement which is gallop. Judge should be able to determine and judge what type of built is more accurate for dobermann to fulfil its function. Thanks to experience, judgement can be done after first few rounds in dog pace and trot. In dobermann breed, movement is not to confirm what can't be seen when dog stands but to confirm the whole judgement. To make it more clear, starting from head, if there are doubts with topline, neck, shoulders angle, right forearms length, balance of topline and lions part, rear angles - in movement after few rounds, judge will see all what he wants. It's not about race and it's not important if dog is fast and runs with grace thanks to his over-angulation. There is a common opinion that exaggeration is possitive but it is not. All abberations from standards are faults. Often we see dogs with huge temperament, well presented in standing but in movement they lack harmony and balance. Other dogs move their weight on their necks what in most cases is a consequence of their built and can't be hidden even by best handlers.

 


M.J: What is your attitude towards dogs agression in the show-ring? When it can be accepted and when disqualification is a must?

A.P:  Dobermann which shows agression in the ring to other dogs definitely has to be punished. When victim of dog agression is judge, handler or show-spectator, dog has to be disqualified. Those are simple rules at shows. However, there are few other issues. Long travels, crowd, limited space, handlers nervousness, going in and out from the cage are doubtlessly stressful situations, especially for these dogs who are less used to show atmosphere or dogs with less balanced characters.  Dogs "arguments" (fights) may happen but the one who is always responsible is the handler who doesn't know well enough own dog character and isn't able to read dogs signals. It is very important for handler to have full control under his dog. Dobermann without control can cause serious damage. In order to avoid dangerous situations, judge can take decissions but as I have said before, fault is on the side of handlers who don't have right contact with their dogs. There are also dogs who were born with some deffects and later received poor education. They are result of wrong selection and breeding assessment. In this case, fault is on the side of the breeder. I don't find it responsible to enter such dogs at shows being aware of their problems.



M.J: Could you present your "pyramid" of importance towards dobermann breed?

A.P: Personally, I have a certain list with important features of dobermann but sometimes it happens that I do modifications what depends on circumstances. All points on the list depend on quality of dogs  who are present at show-ring. There are some "must" points which have to be respected and which are described in standards of all breeds. The most important is health, physical and menal energy, without them it is out of the question to fulfil breed function and for what dobermann was created. Nowadays, we are in a place where careful genetic examinations have to become obligatory both in terms of inherited diseases and quantity of born puppies. It is one of ways to protect dobermann breed. Except health, it is crucial to understand well the breed function and correlation between they way  how the dog looks and its original function for what breed was created. Unfortunatelly, it is often forgotten during judging. I would point out breed history as well - "if you don't know the  past, you can't understand the present and can't build the new". Character and behaviour described by standard also can not be overlooked.
In order to give proper answer to your question, assessment of all parts is divided into head, body and legs. My education as a judge tells me to rate certain features of head and expression. Nice head is one which is in harmony with the rest, proportional, has right dimmensions and adds coherence to whole body. I do judge total harmony which accordingly with size creates natural combination of power and elegance. Important features which let to reach ideal dog are compact body, short and strong lions, short and horizontal croup with sharp angles and coat of right structure, length and markings. All these gives description of perfect dobermann who basically is a typical one without exaggerations or over-marked features.


M.J: What tips given to you by your menthor Dr. Pezzano are the most memorable for you?

A.P: Pierluigi Pezzano had huge impact on my education as a judge. We know each other since 1988 and for many years I had this great ocassion to spent time with him and his family. Today, I have to admit with big regret that lack of time doesn't let me to take advantage from his knowledge. It is well-known for everyone who has interest in dogs and dog-shows that Pezzano is one of the greatest experts in the world. I learnt a lot from him and I still learn more anytime we meet. What is the most memorable? Good question. I can say - everything, although I know it's a truism. Let me give some examples - detailed and careful dog description, remarks on correct built in relation to breed function, first look to good points and only next to faults, different ways to notice lack of dog self-confidence in the ring, complete understanding of standard and skill to use it starting from head and finishing on the tail... many other tips which I always keep in mind and which made me as a judge in show-ring.


M.J: What will be the impact on dobermann breed after standard is changed (undocked tail and uncropped ears)?

A.P: Since it is forbidden to crop and dock in many countries, our breed suffer from it and lost population. I think that this issue deserves deep analysis and we need to ask right questions before we will blame decission to forbid cropping and docking. I would ask - does our dobermann is healthier and lives longer? Is he well and carefully assessed at shows? Are all criteria well selected? Does the dobermann-clubs do everything what they can to protect and promote dobermann? Everyone should ask himself these questions and try to asnwer. In my opinion, change of standard won't have negative impact on the breed. There are few of us and there will be less and less if some kennels get closed and demand on dobermanns will decrease. It may happen that we will do step back instead of doing step forward.At this moment, we should focus on health and try to eliminate with great efforts genetic diseases which limited demand on dobermanns.

 

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Agosto 2013

 

Attilio Polifrone - dobermann allevatore e giudice

 

Michal Jakubowsky: Ha iniziato a giudicare dobermann solo pochi anni fa, ma è già da molti anni nel mondo del dobermann,quando e come è iniziata la sua avventura con questa razza?

Attilio Polifrone: Avevo solo 11 anni quando ebbe inizio la mia passione per questa stupenda razza, all’epoca l’unico mezzo d’informazione era la carta stampata,ricordo che divoravo qualsiasi tipo di rivista o libro, dove vi erano notizie che riguardassero il dobermann, scrivevo lettere a diversi allevatori, per conoscere dati ed avere foto dei loro soggetti, ho provato anche a telefonare, ma spesso venivo preso poco sul serio per via della mia giovane età. Qualche anno dopo, nel 1988, contattai Margherita Buzzi, m’innamorai in foto di Quinn dei Nobili Nati e volevo un figlio di quel grande Campione dell’epoca, un sogno che riuscii a realizzare, da li a poco, il mio primo dobermann Azur dei Nobili Nati entrò a far parte della mia vita. Iniziai a portarlo in qualche expo, senza grande successo, ma fu proprio grazie a quelle occasioni che ebbi modo di conoscere e frequentare i più grandi allevatori del periodo,ricordo con grande piacere Piero Caliandro, Gabriele Prosperi, Giovanni Capocasa, Massimo Santini, Antonio Di Somma,Antonio Criscuolo,Gianni Chionna, Ernesto Vantaggi,Mauro Favero, Gabriele Cavallari ed infine la persona che più condizionò ed alimentò la mia passione per la razza, Pierluigi Pezzano, che accortosi del mio grande entusiasmo, mi prese in simpatia e da quel momento in poi divenne il mio mentore. Nel 1999 mi fu concesso l’affisso, così iniziai ad allevare, ritengo che selezionare con serietà e coscienza confrontandosi con rispetto, sia essenziale per conoscere veramente bene una razza. Dieci anni dopo nel 2009 completai il mio iter da giudice specialista di razza, non dimentico mai cosa disse quel giorno il mio formatore, “oggi è solo un punto d’inizio c’è ancora tanto da imparare” cerco di non scordarlo mai. Oggi guardarmi indietro e pensare che sono già trascorsi 25 anni dal mio primo approccio col dobermann, mi fa capire quanto il tempo scorra velocemente.

 

M.J: Pensa che il dobermann sia una razza facile da giudicare?

A.P: Non credo, nessuna razza è facile da giudicare, tutte sono identificate da uno “standard”, teoricamente il soggetto che più si avvicina nella conformazione descritta dovrebbe vincere. Ovviamente a parole è tutto molto semplice, si presuppone che dietro l’interpretazione di uno standard ci siano e ben acquisite, conoscenze di anatomia, cinognostica, movimento e psicologia canina, oltre che dell’aspetto “tipo” della razza. Ripeto, non è una cosa semplice è un processo che non si svolge in breve tempo e che va sempre allenato mentalmente. Conoscere bene le motivazioni che stanno dietro alla descrizione di uno standard è fondamentale, la conoscenza della funzione delle singole parti è imprescindibile dal giudizio dell’esperto di razza. Infine è mia profonda convinzione che allevare e vivere con la razza che si ama, è un aspetto per nulla trascurabile nell’Iter formativo di un giudice specialista.

 

M.J: Quale differenza c’è tra i giudici che giudicano solo dobermann e giudici che giudicano anche altre razze? Il fatto di essere anche un allevatore ha influenzato il suo giudizio?

A.P: Non è detto che ci siano differenze, se non quella che uno giudica una razza e l’altro più razze, si potrebbe avere “l’occhio” per più razze, come si potrebbe conoscere poco una sola razza. dipende, è tutto molto soggettivo, giudicare non è solo una scienza, altrimenti tutto si ridurrebbe ad una semplice misurazione, giudicare, come allevare, è un arte, ed il successo nel valutare i cani dipende da ambedue, arte e scienza. L’esperto deve essere sempre in grado di giustificare le proprie scelte e soprattutto saper spiegare il perché  un soggetto è migliore di un altro. Tutti i giudici hanno in mente una loro immagine che rappresenta il corretto “tipo” della razza, a volte questa idea non è uguale, per questo c’è diversità d’opinione. Se allevare influenza il mio giudizio? Certo,ed in maniera positiva, nessuno standard copre tutti gli aspetti per ciò che deve essere preso in considerazione nella valutazione, anche per questo ritengo che vivere con il dobermann aiuti molto a conoscere e valutare aspetti che spesso non sono menzionati in nessun testo, quindi credo che allevando la razza con la giusta umiltà e con la dovuta serietà, si possano avere solo dei punti di vantaggio nel giudicarla.

 


M.J: Quale definizione ha in mente del dobermann moderno? Un giudice a quali aspetti deve prestare particolarmente attenzione?

A.P: Comincio col dire che il dobermann ideale è quello descritto dallo standard, per un giudice d’esposizione deve essere così, per un semplice e ovvio motivo, la valutazione è dettata da parametri certi. Ma come dicevo precedentemente ognuno di noi ha una sua immagine “tipo” della razza, che magari spesso si avvicina ad un pensiero comune, ma a volte non è proprio così, diversi dettagli vengono valutati mediante osservazione, che spesso sono fissate nella mente, soprattutto grazie all’aver osservato negli anni diversi soggetti di ottimo valore. La nostra razza negli ultimi 20 anni ha avuto la sua normale evoluzione, la qualità media dei soggetti si è elevata,sicuramente sono sorti altri problemi non più occultabili, che si dovranno affrontare con serietà e coscienza.

La definizione attuale del nostro dobermann credo che sia rimasta sempre e comunque uguale,è un idea semplice, lo descrivo brevemente: un cane di bellezza ideale, che racchiude nella sua normalità il vero pregio assoluto,è forte e muscoloso, ma nel contempo deve essere asciutto ed elegante, il suo portamento è fiero, la sua costruzione compatta, sempre ben proporzionato e armonico, importanza fondamentale deve essere data all’espressione di razza, che oggi, a volte viene dimenticata.

Caratterialmente è socievole e tranquillo,ma nel contempo deciso, coraggioso e vigile, sempre facilmente addestrabile, ama stare in famiglia e dimostra sempre una carattere forte.

Il giudice ha poco tempo a disposizione per valutare i soggetti migliori e successivamente stilare una classifica, in questi pochi minuti bisogna analizzare con attenzione il cane, ponendo cura particolare ad evidenziare i pregi, più che rimarcare i difetti, ma soprattutto cercare di premiare i soggetti più armonici e funzionali, cercando di preferire la media taglia, una costruzione compatta, giusti angoli, una groppa lunga e ben inclinata e soprattutto una testa espressiva, ben proporzionata e con i giusti rapporti, di conseguenza a tutto questo si avrà un movimento corretto e ben bilanciato. Ovviamente prima di tutto questo và anche valutato il comportamento del cane sul ring, l’occhio attento riesce a fare opportune valutazioni sulla sicurezza e l’equilibrio del soggetto,anche in un breve lasso di tempo. Infine cosa non trascurabile è la preparazione del cane al ring, spesso i soggetti ben presentati e preparati partono agevolati rispetto a cani magari migliori, ma che fanno più fatica ad emergere nel ring.


M.J: E’ d’accordo che i giudici dovrebbero essere più critici su alcuni aspetti della conformazione del cane? Spesso notiamo  difetti che sono presenti per generazioni in alcuni allevamenti (poco stop, musi scuri, taglia grande, andature non corrette)cosa  i giudici dovrebbero fare per rendere il loro operato più responsabile nei confronti dell’allevamento?

A.P: Sicuramente, l’opera del giudice specialista oltre a quello della giusta valutazione del cane dovrebbe essere quello di cercare di dare il corretto indirizzo al miglioramento della razza, un valido giudizio condiziona l’allevamento, non bisogna mai dimenticare che ogni razza è destinata ad una sua funzione,capire quale è lo scopo di una razza molte volte spiega come la sua struttura deve essere costruita. Spesso si vedono sul ring soggetti molto appariscenti, intendo grandi, con linee superiori eccessivamente rampanti,avambracci lunghi e angoli anteriori troppo dritti con teste ben allungate ma con mascelle poco forti o magari anche soggetti in taglia,con una costruzione eccessivamente forte, con avambracci corti e volumi trasversi e di testa troppo accentuati, molte volte accompagnati da espressioni di razza sbagliate e con occhi rotondi, piccoli ed infossati e spesso in posizione frontale. Ovviamente è facile intuire che soggetti così fatti oltre ad essere fuori tipo, farebbero fatica o non sarebbero adatti al loro scopo.

La nostra razza non deve seguire mode o tendenze, il dobermann è un perfetto equilibrio tra potenza e eleganza, sempre molto armonico nel formato e nei profili, costruito nel quadrato,infine un capitolo a parte merita la testa, che a volte viene sottovalutata, tutto parte da lì e le sue fattezze rappresentano l’aspetto più importante nel determinare il tipo della razza.

Se ancora oggi ci sono allevamenti con determinati difetti, presenti da più generazioni, i motivi potrebbero essere diversi, se l’allevatore è cosciente di ciò, ma dubito, potrebbe anche essere che gli piaccia il suo tipo di dobermann, oppure ha fatto più volte uso e abuso di stalloni comodi o fattrici sbagliate, usandoli magari in consanguineità e ritrovandosi così in una situazione di stallo. Il giudice con il suo operato può intervenire,dando un indirizzo alla selezione,a patto che il suo sia un giudizio corretto, ovviamente serve collaborazione e umiltà da parte di tutti, il giudizio va accettato, ma soprattutto và capito, se venisse a mancare questa “forma mentis” o se peggio il fine economico diventasse primario, tutto risulterebbe ancora più difficile.

 

 

M.J: Lei ha giudicato in molti paesi  (Finlandia,Grecia,Serbia,Ungheria,Russia,Ucraina,Italia etc.) ha notato caratteristiche comuni nei soggetti da lei giudicati in questi paesi?

A.P: Certamente, nella nostra razza si possono notare diverse caratteristiche comuni, specie in soggetti provenienti da stesse linee di sangue, e con alta percentuale d’inbreeding, quindi è facile trovare stessi pregi o difetti, quello che manca è un omogeneità di tipo ben definita, Il dobermann, come anche altre razze, ha una base genetica molto stretta, un patrimonio genetico chiuso, quindi poca variabilità genetica, con tutto quel che di negativo ne comporta. C’è anche da dire che negli ultimi 25 anni il 90% degli accoppiamenti è stato fatto da non più di 10 stalloni differenti, tra l’altro, molti di questi provengono dalle stesse linee di sangue, in più molti allevamenti utili in (Belgio,Germania,Olanda,etc.) hanno smesso di allevare,molti per motivi che noi tutti ben conosciamo, un ipotetico potenziale che è venuto a mancare, di contro sono nati molti altri allevamenti in Russia e nell’Europa dell’est, ma la base d’allevamento si è sempre più ristretta, oggi si fatica a trovare soggetti validi che non hanno progenie comuni nelle prime quattro generazioni. Di certo tutto questo non favorisce il bene della razza, non solo dal punto di vista morfologico e caratteriale, ma principalmente per quel che riguarda salute e benessere fisico.

Credo che le associazioni specializzate abbiano il dovere di intervenire, ed in tal senso qualcosa si stia già facendo, ma senza dubbio ancor più importante per un efficace lavoro selettivo, dovrà essere lo sforzo valutativo e l’impegno che tutti gli allevatori seri e scrupolosi dovranno assumersi, poiché il patrimonio ed il futuro della razza è per lo più nelle loro mani

 

M.J: Dalla sua esperienza da giudice, cosa si può vedere nel movimento del cane che non si riesce a notare quando è presentato da fermo?

A.P: Per tradizione e motivi di spazio, nelle esposizioni i soggetti vengono giudicati da fermo e successivamente al trotto, quindi la nostra razza non viene valutata per il suo naturale movimento, il galoppo. Il giudice dovrebbe essere in grado di riconoscere e valutare quale tipo di struttura è più indicata a svolgere al meglio la funzione richiesta, questa valutazione, con opportune conoscenze può essere fatta anche con pochi giri di ring, al passo ed al trotto. Il movimento nella nostra razza più che evidenziare note particolari che da fermo non si riescono a vedere, serve da verifica, per avere delle esatte conferme, mi spiego meglio, iniziando dalla testa, se vi sono piccoli dubbi sull’andamento degli assi superiori, sul portamento del collo e quindi dall’inclinazione della spalla, sulla corretta lunghezza dell’avambraccio, sulla solidità dorso-lombare, sulla giusta inclinazione della groppa o sui corretti angoli del posteriore, bene, dopo qualche giro il giudice può vedere ciò che desidera. Non è di certo una gara, non dovrebbe vincere il cane che trotta più velocemente o in maniera fluida o che spinge di più, perché magari dotato di angoli eccessivi, è consuetudine pensare che l’eccesso sia un pregio, non è così, ciò che si allontana dalla normalità è sempre un difetto. Succede anche spesso di vedere soggetti con grande temperamento, ben presentati e condizionati da fermo, ma che già dopo pochi passi in movimento denotano scarsa armonia e poca solidità d’insieme, o altri ancora che cercano di caricare tutto il loro peso sul collare, ciò, il più delle volte è dovuto a evidenti limiti di costruzione, questo non può essere mascherato, neanche se il cane è condotto dal più smaliziato degli handlers

 

 

M.J: Quale è il suo atteggiamento verso i cani aggressivi dentro il ring? Fin quando si può accettare questo comportamento e quando si deve squalificare il cane?

A.P: Se un soggetto all’interno del ring, si dimostra aggressivo verso i suoi simili, và sicuramente penalizzato, se dimostra aggressività verso il giudice, gli spettatori o il conduttore, va squalificato. Queste in sintesi sono le misure da porre all’interno di una manifestazione. Bisogna però avere alcuni accorgimenti e fare le dovute distinzioni. I lunghi viaggi,le esposizioni affollate,gli spazi ristretti, l’ansia dei proprietari, entrare ed uscire da una gabbia, sono un fattore di stress per i nostri cani, specie per quelli meno abituati o meglio meno equilibrati, quindi può succedere che ci siano dei “diverbi” dentro e fuori dal ring, anche se il colpevole principale resta sempre il proprietario, che conosce poco il proprio cane e non riesce a cogliere quei segnali evidenti che danno il via ad una forma di aggressività. E’ fondamentale che il conduttore abbia sempre sotto controllo il cane, se un dobermann è fuori controllo può causare grossi danni, quindi il giudice, prima che accada il peggio, dovrà intervenire tempestivamente,cercando prima di capire e poi limitare determinate situazioni, che ripeto, il più delle volte sono create da proprietari o conduttori che hanno un cattivo rapporto o non riescono a capire il cane. Poi, tra i dovuti distingui ci sono soggetti che sono nati male e cresciuti ancora peggio, frutto di accoppiamenti e valutazioni errate, ma la colpa di tutto ciò resta sempre dell’uomo e dalle sue incapacità di gestire e valutare situazioni. Non posso credere che si possa esporre e portare in un ambiente non proprio rilassante soggetti poco equilibrati, sapendo bene che in precedenza hanno dimostrato seri problemi.

 

 

M.J: Ci indichi la sua“piramide”d’importanza relativa alla nostra razza.

A.P: Personalmente ho ben in mente un ordine di punti  rilevanti nella nostra razza, ma potrebbe succedere di variarlo, entro dei limiti ragionevoli, in determinati periodi o in alcune situazioni, tutte le scelte dipendono dalla qualità generale dei soggetti prodotti e da tutti quelli presentati in esposizione dai singoli allevamenti. Ma ci sono dei valori assoluti che vanno rispettati e che sono dettati da ogni standard di razza, fondamentale tra tutti è lo stato di buona salute, il vigore fisico e mentale, senza questo non è possibile svolgere alcuna funzione a cui la nostra razza è stata destinata. Credo che oggi si sia arrivati al punto di dover rendere esami e controlli ufficiali, periodici e obbligatori, specie per tutte le più frequenti patologie ereditarie e soprattutto per tutti quei soggetti che producono un determinato numero di figli, questa è una delle poche strade ancora percorribili per il benessere della nostra razza. Dopo lo stato di salute, fondamentale è capire lo scopo della razza e la sua funzione, cioè, aver ben chiaro prima di ogni espressione estetica, la destinazione data originariamente alla nostra razza, questo purtroppo nella moderna cinofilia è spesso poco irrilevante o viene dimenticato. Poi metterei conoscenza della storia della razza, “se non si conosce il passato non si capisce il presente e non si costruisce il futuro” nulla di più vero. Detto ciò ci rimane il carattere ed il comportamento del nostro dobermann, così come lo standard lo definisce, ed infine per rispondere alla tua domanda, il giudizio delle singole parti, divise in (Testa, Tronco ed Arti) tradizionalmente per la mia cultura cinofila tengo a valorizzare le giuste fattezze della testa e dell’espressione di razza, ovviamente una bella testa deve essere sempre ben rapportata ed armonica con il resto del corpo, quindi valuto l’armonia d’insieme, che uniti ai giusti diametri formano un naturale connubio di potenza ed eleganza, questo, legato ad un tronco compatto, dato sempre da lombi corti e solidi, da una groppa ben orizzontale e lunga e da angoli marcati nella giusta misura,ed infine da un mantello di corretta tessitura e lunghezza con focature marcate,pulite e di giusta intensità, tutto questo da la corretta idea del dobermann ideale, che è essenzialmente un tipo normale, senza mai alcuna esagerazione strutturale, che porterebbe solo ad una deviazione da quello descritto dallo standard.

 

M.J: Quali sono gli insegnamenti avuti dal Dr. Pezzano che le sono rimasti più impressi in mente?

A.P: Pierluigi Pezzano per la mia crescita cinofila rappresenta tanto, quasi tutto, ci conosciamo dal 1988 e per tanti anni ho avuto la grande fortuna di trascorrere molto del mio tempo con lui e la sua famiglia. Oggi il mio grande rammarico è non avere più il tempo libero di alcuni anni fa, per poter continuare ad attingere dalla sua immensa cultura cinofila. C’è poco da dire, chi s’intende veramente di cinofilia e ha avuto modo di conoscerlo, sa bene che tecnicamente è uno degli esperti più completi a livello mondiale. Insegnamenti da lui ne ho avuto tanti, sotto ogni aspetto e continuo sempre ad averne nei momenti in cui abbiamo occasione di vederci. Cosa mi è rimasto più impresso in mente? Bella domanda, posso semplicemente rispondere senza sembrare banale, tutto, per citarne alcuni, il modo attento e minuzioso nella valutazione descrittiva del cane, le valide considerazioni sulla correttezza strutturale, sempre mirata a compiere un determinato tipo di prestazione, il valutare i pregi dei soggetti prima ancora di far cadere l’occhio sui difetti, i diversi modi di capire le insicurezze di un cane sul ring, conoscere a fondo il significato della parola “tipo” e come cercare di evidenziarlo nel giudizio di un soggetto, iniziando dalla testa e finendo con la coda e tanto altro ancora, insegnamenti che mi porto sempre dentro e che hanno molto condizionato il mio modo di essere sul ring.

 

M.J: Come creda possa evolvere la razza con in vista un possibile cambio dello standard (coda e orecchie integre)?

A.P: Da quando è stato introdotto il divieto di tagliare coda e orecchie in molti paesi Europei, la nostra razza ha subito un evidente calo in termini numerici, ovviamente aldilà delle semplicistiche risposte, credo che il problema vada analizzato a fondo e porsi le dovute domande, prima ancora di dare la totale colpa di questo crollo alla proibizioni del taglio. Ecco, io mi porrei queste domande: oggi il nostro prodotto (dobermann) è sano e quindi longevo? E’ giustamente valorizzato e ben rappresentato nelle expo? E’ ben selezionato secondo i parametri di riferimento(standard)? Le associazioni di razza nei vari paesi hanno fatto il possibile per tutelare e promuovere la razza? Quali sono i punti a favore della nostra razza, per chi intende  avvicinarsi o sceglie di vivere con un nostro dobermann? Ognuno di voi dia le proprie risposte, a mio parere quel che resta alla luce di alcune considerazioni, è che un eventuale prossimo cambio dello standard non gioverebbe per niente al bene della razza, siamo già in pochi e ci ritroveremmo sempre meno, se non c’è allevamento e quindi richieste non c’è futuro in qualsiasi razza, sarebbe un involuzione. Credo che in questo momento sia più opportuno concentrarsi sul benessere fisico, cercando di limitare a qualsiasi costo le più importanti patologie ereditarie,le quali hanno contribuito a porre un freno importante nella richieste di soggetti della nostra razza.

 

lingua italiana

june 2013                                                                             

Massimo Santini, owner and founder of

"del Diamante Nero" kennel

Francesco Santini with Urbano del Diamante Nero

Nero del Diamante Nero and Massimo Santini

Urbano del Diamante Nero - head


Michal Jakubowsky: Recently you have celebrated Urbano's 10th birthday. What was Urbano like as a puppy?  Did you think at that time that he will be so successfull? What distinguished him from other males?

Massimo Santini:
At first glance Urbano was special as a puppy. He grew up in full harmony with my son Francesco and attracted attention not only due to his head and expression but also because of his self-confident character. He was a dominant one among his litter-mates. So, I  have to admit that as a puppy he was somehow "special". If I have to compare Urbano with other famous males that lived with us (e.g Ch. Nero del Diamante Nero, Indio del Diamante Nero, Moro del Diamante Nero and Victor Vito del Rio Bianco) there is no difference in terms of sentimanental value. I loved the same all these dogs for their great advantages as well as for their imperfections. Beyond that,  we can say that Urbano is a real "destination" at our kennel, work that we started over 30 years ago in co-operation with Mauro Favero (owner of del Rio Bianco kennel). We can consider Urbano as a "closing" of genetic circle of Diamante Nero and Rio Bianco. First three generations consist of dogs coming from these two kennels and who led us to this result - Urbano del Diamante Nero.

 

Young Urbano



M.J:
Over the years Urbano has won many shows, which are the most important to you?

M.S:
For me AIAD Show has special meaning - Urbano achieved twice the title of AIAD Social Champion. Another special moment was BOB and Sieger title at Club Show in Spain under judgement of Dr. Pezzano. There was also BOB at European Dobermann Trophy Winner Show under judgement of Thomas Becht and Norbert Daube. I remember well show where Urbano got CAC along with his famous son Pathos delle Querce Nere and Citto del Diamante Nero. I have great memories from World Dog Show in Poland where Urbano won in working class and got the title of V-ce World Winner. Same day our Iara del Diamante Nero became Youth World Winner so it was a very beautifull day for us. Of course, these are the most spectacular results of Urbano's career but I want to mention an anecdote which many people may not know. It is commonly known that in Italy the highest grade in Youth Class is MB (very good).  There were only few exceptions in Italy when Exc (excellent) grade was given to a dog from Youth Class. It happened to Tequila Mali del Citone and to Gamon di Campovalano but Urbano was also qualified as excellent by Florindo Coppo and that  was very special for me together with another important victories in his youth age - Giovane Promessa AIAD and IDC Youth Winner.

 

Urbano with Francesco and judges - Thomas Becht & Norbert Daube

 

Francesco and Urbano with judges - Barbara Corsini and Dr. Pierluigi Pezzano

 

M.J: How many matings Urbano had so far? Can you give some examples of his progeny which have special meaning to you?

M.S:
So far Urbano had more than 300 matings with females who came from all parts of the world.

I always say that such high number of matings was a consequence of two motives:

1. Many breeders considered Urbano as natural evolution and continuation of Nitro del Rio Bianco;
2. Fact that at the age of 16 months old Urbano was father of famous Pathos delle Querce Nere.

I reckon these two were main reasons why breeders started to mate with Urbano on large scale. Obviously, Pathos delle Querce Nere has to be mentioned as starting point of Urbano's career as a producer. Another special example of Urbano's son can be Sant Keal Zeus. Male who was born in Russia and increased awareness in this country of Urbano's value as producer. In next years other russian breeders were coming to mate with Urbano. For example, Pride of Russia kennel with their different females what resulted in famous dogs like Pride of Russia Ferro, Pride or Russia Urano and some young dogs like Pride of Russia Angel or Pride of Russia Graf Nero, Pride of Russia Hermes. They all are successfull at show-rings in Russia.  Another special dog I would like to emphasize among Urbano's progeny is Nibbio del Diamante Nero who obtained the most important goal in my breeding activity. Nibbio is a beauty show-Champion and one who passed german character test - Korung. It was something I always dreamed about.  Last but not least - Toscano del Diamante Nero - Youth World Winner 2013. This young dog has all great features to continue his fahter's legacy.  Well, I focused only on few examples of Urbano's progeny. If I have to describe more than 50 dogs from all countries I would have to cover several pages. At the gallery of Urbano's progeny you can view all his sons:

Separated page with Urbano Progeny

 

Nibbio del Diamante Nero at Korung

 

Nibbio del Diamante Nero

 

Toscano del Diamante Nero

 

Pride of Russia Urano and Nibbio del Diamante Nero with Mario Rieger and Francesco Santini

 

M.J: Having said of Urbano's 300 matings, you probably have complete knowledge about his breeding potential. According to your knowledge, what females are the right ones for Urbano?

M.S:
Urbano has it's genotype based on Diamante Nero and Rio Bianco blood-line and this is the reason why his progeny are easily recognized in eyes of different experts. Especially because of his head type which can be seen in almost all matings Urbano had till today.  From my experience, I had seen and evaluated best sons of Urbano and I have to say that almost always Urbano gave his best in combination with blood-lines from del Citone / Prinz v. Norden Stamm. Results from this combinations have best qualities from both blood-lines and these two lines mixed together are really successfull.  I can mention AIAD Siegerin from 2012 - Azzura Borboni del Mitreo (Urbano del Diamante Nero - Sheva Shay del Citone).  What's more, over last three years I noticed that some breeders are using inbreeding methods on Urbano's line and it seems to me that it works out pretty well. At this point I need to mention IDC Sieger 2012 - Quickstep King of Darkness (Ale' Alamos del Citone - Come As You Are Vesta) who was born from Urbano's daugher and Urbano's nephew. I think that this method will be widely used by breeders who want to have Urbano's genotype well established in their breeding.

 

Azzurra Borboni del Mitreo

 

M.J: Looking backwards at pedigrees we can notice a tendency of successfull litters between daughters of Nitro del Rio Bianco (e.g Giada di Villa Conte, Rivien & Reny of Tanderberg) with males out of del Citone kennel. Do you think that same trend may refer to daughters of Urbano? Would you recommend to Urbano's progeny owners to consider mating with del Citone males?

M.S:
As I have said before, Quickstep King of Darkness (Ale' Alamos del Citone - Come As You Are Vesta) is an answer  to your question as CAYA Vesta is Urbano's daughter. I think this way you can follow in breeding.  However, do not forget what I said at the begining of this nterview when I refered to Prinz v. Norden Stamm
(Baron Nike Renewal, Fedor del Nasi). I worked hard on this issue and if you pay attention to  pedigree of Toscano del Diamante Nero, there are some proofs of my words. To conclude, I have conviction that lines of Diamante Nero / Rio Bianco are really good mix with lines of del Citone and Prinz  v. Norden Stamm.



M.J:
Looking at Urbano's pedigree, what dogs are in great part responsible for Urbano's conformation?

M.S:
I think Urbano is strongly affected in his genetic by two fundamental males in terms of his genotype. The first is Indo del Diamante Nero who is responsible for strong head and second is Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam who certainly brought into del Diamante Nero and del Rio Bianco line better general conformation.


Urbano del Diamante Nero - pedigree

Victor Vito del Rio Bianco
Moro del Diamante Nero Indio del Diamante Nero Nero del Diamante Nero
Ora di Stefusto
Flora del Diamante Nero Bodo del Diamante Nero
Senda del Diamante Nero
Zeni del Rio Bianco Napoleone del Rio Bianco Nero del Diamante Nero
Athena del Rio Bianco
Farah del Rio Bianco Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Sophie del Rio Bianco
Indiana del Diamante Nero Nitro del Rio Bianco Nilo del Rio Bianco
Nero del Diamante Nero
Athena del Rio Bianco
Farah del Rio Bianco
Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Sophie del Rio Bianco
India del Diamante Nero Nero del Diamante Nero Feldo del Diamante Nero
Quirin del Diamante Nero
Ora di Stefusto Orion di Campovalano
Uskina di Stefusto

 


M.J: Do you recommend inbreeding on Urbano? Yes or no and why?

M.S: I can say a lot on this issue but I repeat what I have said before. For me a good breeding project is to implement blood of Urbano through females who
can fulfill combination of Citone-Urbano and Baron Nike/Fedor-Urbano. This is what I think in terms of breeding-strategy.

 

Urbano del Diamante Nero



M.J:
Nowadays we can observe interesting situation when some of european dobermann breeders are using in their breeding american dobermanns. What do you think on it?

M.S: I have spent several years for research of american dobermanns. I can to say that I appreciate  their elegance, dryness and almost always good and typical head expression. In the past, there were attempts to combine best american and european blood-lines. Commonly known case of Marienburg kennel which obtained good results  from v. Franckenhorst line. This project was continued in 1995 by Dr. Pezzano who decided to cross Tequila Mali del Citone with Holmrun Phabio of Marienburg. On the other hand, almost nobody knows about another attempt which was done with help of great breeder Jenns Kollenberg more than 20 years ago. He exported to America Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen as well as her sister Amida and Kalina v. Norden Stamm. However, in my opinion results in breeding from these females were not as good as their litters in Europe when they were mated with european studs.
Of course, this is my own point of view and I don't say that it is absolute truth. Just my personal opinion.  In recent years, I can see that these efforts are still present and other breeders are trying to realize this project.  I don't want to re-call certain names of dogs but although I see some good results, I think that there is still a lot to be done and it's complicated to achieve the level of best european dobermanns.  I need to say that aspect which makes me worried is the character which I find average. There is genetical  distance between character of european and american dobermanns. Nevertheless, I have always considered evolution as  fundamental aspect of every breed development and I wish these breeders to eachieve their goals.


M.J:
Did you consider to use american dobermanns in your own breeding programme?

M.S: Well, I thought about it but never had courage to do it. May be in the future. Never say never. Obviously, if I take such decission to mix with american line, it will be only because of breeding-potential of certain male.

 

Urbano and Francesco with trophies

 

M.J: Character is one of the fundamental features of the dobermann breed. American-dobermanns in comparison to european dobermanns don't represent same quality. Don't you think that mix between dobermanns and american-dobermanns is irresponsible?

M.S:
I don't have knowledge to give valuable answer. I have seen dogs from american blood-lines who had character problems but I also think that there are some exceptions. I would suggest to pay special attention to this aspect when one breeder takes decission to mix american and european dobermanns. This is my advice.  It is also a fact that in American breed is controlled by their own club which does not recognize official standard of Dobermann Verein. American standard recognize dogs who have lack of teeth.  However, there is a Club in North America called ADA who acts accordingly to Dobermann Verein. I can not say with top certainty if official standard of Dobermann Verein is also recognized by UDC Club.  I would like to underline efforts which are made in American with respect to official standard including organzing character test - ZTP.


M.J:
Since, you have mentioned the ZTP test. Do you think it has to be changed in order to become demanding? Today ZTP does not seem to be an achievement anymore.

M.S:
I think that we still need the ZTP test. I don't have in mind Germany or Italy where the quality of average character  is stable for a long period of time. ZTP is needed in countries where it has short tradition of only few years and there is obvious reason to keep this test active for several years or even more. Personally, I consider Korung test as a goal to be achieved in breeding. This is great proof of dobermann quality by all standards.  I would like to see future where major dobermanns and stud males which are used in breeding have the Korung test passed. It will help to eliminate the division within dobermann breed on working dobermanns and those  who have the "look". This ways of divergence is completely wrong and stay in opposition to breed standard.

 

Champion Riproductore IDC 2012

Massimo Santini, Dr. Pezzano and Francesco with Urbano del Diamante Nero, IDC 2012

 

Urbano and Francesco, IDC 2012

 

M.J: Future of dobermann breeding is in danger due to cropping and docking ban which is now being spread to other countries. We all know what it caused to dobermann breed in countries like Belgium of The Netherlands. Will we see in the nearest future Diamante Nero dobermanns with long ears and tails?

M.S:
There is no escape from this threat. Unfortunatelly, situation will be irreversible when the standard is changed. Perhaps there was something that could be done in the past and also in media when it was popular to figh for so-called "fake animal rights" in 80s (especially in Germany). I have to say that I got to know and loved the breed the way majority did it so I will find it difficult to agree with such new "regulation" but I'm not going to be the one who will quit because of this reason. Morever, we already keep in our kennel some natural dogs. Jjust to get use to them...


M.J: Actually, Doberman Verein as a country of origin has right to change standard. Is it necessary to do the change?

M.S: We will know the anwer once the standard is changed by DV and the FCI. Till that period of time we will see both cropped and natural dogs. Of course, if you would like to hear my opinion, I prefer "status quo" and keep it how it is so we can see both cropped and natural dogs. This is my own opinion. When standard is changed I will adjust to new realityy but as I said before, from my egoistic point of view, I hope that it will happen as late as possible.


M.J:
Do you think there are some other threats for dobermann breed? What do we have to do to work and develop?

M.S: I think that the work which was done over last 30 years in terms of character (thanks to ZTP test) definitely improved the quality. There is no doubt that this work has to continue with same committment and spread ZTP test to all countries where this selection method is not in use. The real concern about dobermann future is DCM what I find as a real plague. We will face this problem and do whatever it takes to overcome this issue. It is worth to emphasize that some clubs (e.g A.I.A.D) already took actions to isolate and work on his problem. I'm sure that such initiatives will cause that we will be able control this terrible disease.


M.J:
Today we can evaluate how stud males like Gino Gomez del Citone, Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam, Baron Nike Renewal or Fedor del Nasi influenced on the breed. What is Urbano's contribution  into modern dobermann?

M.S: Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam in 80/90s was great result of Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry genetic and created two essential lines for further evolution of modern dobermann. His two the most representative sons were Gamon di Campovalano and Jivago v/h Wantij. Even today we can see their genetic signals in the most important pedigrees all over the world.
At the beginig of 21st century the new quality was brought by Gino Gomez del Citone, Baron Nike Renewal and of course Nitro del Rio Bianco. It is clear for everyone that the continuation of these dogs today is following: Ale' Alamos del Citone for Gino Gomez del Citone, Urbano del Diamante Nero for Nitro del Rio Bianco and Fedor del Nasi for Baron Nike Renewal. I'm convinced that further breed development in next decade will be focused on genetics of these three males.

 

Urbano and Francesco

 

IDC Siegers 2006, Francesco with Urbano's son - Pathos delle Querce Nere



M.J:
Before you said about matings strategy of Urbano with different females. Today the new is - Toscano del Diamante Nero who already started his career winning youth sieger titles e.g World Dog Show. As son of Urbano and grand-son of Fedor, for which females he might be taken into consideration?

M.S:
Let's start with saying that our Toscano will be a new stud after he has passed the ZTP test. Now it is too early to talk about him, he is youngster. As you can see, in Italy it is common, although not necessary, to match together only dogs who passed the ZTP. This is example of breeders awareness and it deserved respect.

 

Francesco and Urbano


M.J:
What can you advice to new dobermann breeders? What qualities breeding female must have?

M.S: It is absolutely fundamental to start breeding with female who is well-defined in her genotype and with female of well-mixed blood-lines. I remember how in 80s I bought founder of my kennel - Julia v. Nymphenburg (Gildo v. Jura - Berenike v. Nymphenburg) when she was at the age of 2 years. It was a big financial effort for me but I took this decission. Prior to purchase, I did a research in previous years and realized that what I want is a solid foundation in order to design the future of my kennel. I had to start with female well established in genotype and it appeared to be a good base.
I recommend to young breeders not to be in a hurry, to study first the pedigree to have understanding how certain results work out. Also I advice to visit important shows and if it is possible to make friends with important breeders - to learn from their knowledge and experience. Only after above mentioned steps, there comes a time to buy a good breeding-female and begin this fantastic adventure.

 

Mauro Favero and Massimo Santini with Nitro del Rio Bianco


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


english version

giugno 2013

Massimo Santini, owner and founder of

"del Diamante Nero" kennel

Francesco Santini with Urbano del Diamante Nero

Nero del Diamante Nero and Massimo Santini

Urbano del Diamante Nero - head


Michal Jakubowsky: Un mese fa hai festeggiato il 10imo compleanno del tuo famoso Champion e il riproduttore Urbano del Diamante Nero. Come era Urbano da cucciolo? Sapevi dall'inizio che sarebbe stato speciale? In che cosa si differenziava dai tuoi altri cani famosi?

Massimo Santini:
Urbano fin da piccolo, si dimostrò subito "speciale", sopratutto con mio figlio Francesco, con il quale viveva in simbiosi totale. Della sua morfologia si evidenziava
evidenziava sin dall'inizio la testa e la sua espressione. Fin da cucciolo, Urbano dimostrava un carattere sicuro di se stesso, e un carattere dominante verso i suoi simili. Insomma sì, devo dire che era realmente un cucciolo "speciale".
Fare un paragone con altri Campioni del passato del mio Allevamento (che peraltro li troviamo tutti nel suo pedegree) da CH.Nero del Diamante Nero a CH.Indio del Diamante Nero a CH.Moro del Diamante Nero per finire a CH.Victor Vito del Rio Bianco che viveva con noi.... devo dire che sotto il profilo sentimentale.... non c'è differenza alcuna, sono stati tutti cani che ho amato con la stessa intensità...per i loro pregi e i loro difetti. Possiamo dire che Urbano rappresenterà un "vero" punto di arrivo nel nostro Allevamento, di un lavoro iniziato più di 30 anni fà in collaborazione con Mauro Favero dell'Allevamento del Rio Bianco.
Si, possiamo considerare Urbano come la chiusura di un cerchio genetico Diamante Nero/Rio Bianco dove nelle prime tre generazioni del suo pedegree, risalta all'attenzione dell'esperto come l'evoluzione genetica di questi due allevamenti, ci ha portato a questo risultato.

 

Young Urbano



M.J: Nel corso di questi anni Urbano ha vinto molte mostre. Quali mostre ricordi di piu?

M.S:
Per me personalmente, ha molta importanza il Campionato AIAD dove Urbano ha conquistato per ben due volte il titolo di Campione Sociale AIAD. Altri Show Internazionali come il BOB e il titolo Sieger al Campionto Spagnolo giudice Pezzano , il BOB all' Europa Tropy in Graz giudice Daube/ Becht, Show che ricordo con particolare emozione in quanto allo spareggio per il miglior maschio per l'assegnazione del CAC, Urbano spareggiò con il già famoso figlio Pathos delle Querce Nere e Citto del Diamante Nero e naturalmente, un altro Show che mi ha molto emozionato è stato il World Dog Show in Polonia dove Urbano vinse la Classe Lavoro e il titolo di Vice World Champion , concludendo quella bellissima giornata anche con la conquista da parte della figlia Iara del Diamante Nero il titolo di World Young Champion. Questi sono certamente fra i risultati più eclatanti nella carriera di Urbano, ma voglio raccontare un anedoto che molti appassionati forse non conoscono. Come è noto, nei raduni AIAD in Italia la massima qualifica nelle Classi Giovani è la qualifica di MB (Molto Buono).
Ci sono stati solo pochissimi casi in Italia dove nei Raduni AIAD  è stata data la qualifica di 1 Eccellente in Classe Giovani e fra questi sono noti i casi di Tequila mali del Citone e di Gamon di Campovalano.
Anche Urbano è stato qualificato 1 Eccellente dal giudice Coppo in un Raduno AIAD in Classe Giovani, e questo sinceramente fu uno dei risultati che mi emozionò molto, insieme naturalmente ad altri importanti risultati raggiunti in  quello stesso anno  da Urbano  come il Titolo di AIAD Young Champion e del titolo dell'IDC Young Champion

 

Urbano with Francesco and judges - Thomas Becht & Norbert Daube

 

Francesco and Urbano with judges - Barbara Corsini and Dr. Pierluigi Pezzano

 

M.J: Quanti accoppiamenti ha fatto Urbano finora? Possiamo notare un gran numero della sua prole da diversi accoppiamenti. Potresti darci qualche esempio dei cani che siano per speciali te?

M.S:
Sono piů di trecento gli accoppiamenti che ha fatto Urbano con femmine provenienti da tutte le parti del mondo. Questo alto numero e'stato possibile per due motivi:

1) perchè da molti Allevatori Urbano è stato considerato come un continuamento evolutivo della linea Nitro del Rio Bianco;
2)
Urbano č stato certamente avvantaggiato dal fatto che a soli 16 mesi era gŕ padre di Multi CH Pathos delle Querce Nere.

Questi, secondo me sono stati le principali motivazioni che ha indotto da subito molti Allevatori ad accoppiare con Urbano.
Certamente da menzionare per primo, come figlio di Urbano è il Multi CH. Pathos delle Querce Nere, questo cane rappresenta un punto di partenza molto importante per la carriera di Riproduttore di Urbano.
Un altro cane che ha il diritto davvero, di rientrare come figlio " speciale" di Urbano è il Multi CH Sant Kreal Zeus, soggetto nato in Russia, e che è stato il primo a far conoscere in Russia il valore genotipico di Urbano.
Negli anni successivi altri Allevatori Russi si sono avvalsi delle monte di Urbano.... in primis l'Allevamento Pride of Russia che accoppiando diverse fmmine con Urbano, hanno ottenuto risultati veramente importanti come Pride of Russia Ferro, Pride of Russia Urano e alcuni cani più giovani come Angel, Graf Nero, Hermes che stanno ottenendo  risultati negli Show più importanti in Russia.
Un altro cane "speciale" figlio di Urbano è il nostro MULTI.CH Nibbio del Diamante Nero, che mi ha regalato fino ad oggi, il traguardo più importante conquistato nella mia carriera di Allevatore, che è stata quello di superare la Korung Tedesca con un cane Multi CH. in Bellezza, traguardo questo, sognato da sempre, e penso sarà una strada da seguire in futuro.
Inoltre sempre nel mio Allevamento, un posto da figlio "speciale" di Urbano, lo stà conquistando il suo  figlio Toscano del Diamante Nero, vincitore del Titolo World Young Champion 2013 recentemente a Budapest.
Questo giovane cane, secondo il mio punto di vista ha tutte le caratteristiche per prendere sulle spalle la pesante eredità del padre.
Naturalmente ho tralasciato di menzionare numerosi figli di Urbano ( credo che siano più di 50 i figli di Urbano Campioni sparsi  nelmondo) perchè davvero ci vorrebbero molte pagine di questa intervista, ma nella galleria Progeny di Urbano, sarà possibile visionare tutti i figli Campioni di Urbano.

Pagina Urbano Progeny

 

Nibbio del Diamante Nero at Korung

 

Nibbio del Diamante Nero

 

Toscano del Diamante Nero

 

Pride of Russia Urano and Nibbio del Diamante Nero with Mario Rieger and Francesco Santini

 

M.J: Come hai gia' menzionato Urbano ha fatto piu' di 300 accoppiamenti. Sicuramente ti rendi conto del suo grande potenziale e delle caratteristiche che trasmette alla sua prole. Basandosi sulla tua esperienza quali femmine (e da quali linee d'allevamento) vanno meglio per l'accopiamento con Urbano?

M.S:
Urbano ha il suo genotipo riproduttivo molto ben ancorato alla linea Diamante Nero / RioBianco, ed è per questo motivo che i suoi figli si riconoscono facilmente agli occhi di un esperto, sopratutto dal tipo di testa, in quasi tutti gli accoppiamenti che ha fatto fino ad oggi.
Nella mia esperienza che ho avuto nel valutare i migliori figli di Urbano, devo dire però, che quasi sempre Urbano si è espresso al meglio, quando ha incontrato linee di sangue provenienti dalla linea Citone cioè in linea Prinz v Norden Stamm, uscendo quasi sempre da questo incontro di sangue, con i migliori pregi di queste due line Diamante Nero e Citone, una compensazione fenotipica fra queste due linee veramente riuscita, e tanto per fare un esempio in ordine di tempo, potrei far riferimento all'ultima Segerin AIAD 2012 Azzurra Borboni del Mitreo ( Urbano del Diamante Nero x Sheva Shay del Citone).
Devo anche dire però, che in questi ulltimi tre anni, si stà diffondendo fra alcuni Allevatori, il metodo del line inbreeding su Urbano, e mi sembra che funzioni molto bene visto il risultato ottenuto dall'Allevamento che ha prodotto Quickstep King of Darkness (Ale'Alamos del Citone - Come As You Are Vesta)    recente IDC SIEGER 2012, nato in linea paterna da un nipote di Urbano per una figlia, in linea materna di Urbano.
Penso che questo metodo sarà molto seguito da Allevatori, che vogliono avere ben fissato nella loro linea diu sangue il genotipo di Urbano.

 

Azzurra Borboni del Mitreo

 

M.J: Analizzando i pedigree di oggi possiamo notare che i mix tra le femmine di Nitro del Rio Bianco (per esempio Giada di Villa Conte o Rivien / Rene of Tanderberg) e i maschi dalla linea di del Citone davano gli ottimi risultati. Pensi che la stessa regola possa funzionare con la prole femminile di Urbano? Potresti raccomandare agli allevatori che la prole femminile di Urbano fosse accoppiata con i cani della linea di del Citone?

M.S:
Come ho affermato precedentemente Quickstep King of Darkness (Ale'Alamos del Citone - Come As You Are Vesta) è una risposta alla tua domanda, visto che Come As You Are Vesta è una figlia di Urbano....si io penso che questa possa essere una strada che in allevamento si può perseguire, visto i primi risultati.
Non dimenticherei però, quello che ho affermato all'inizio dell'intervista, quando facevo riferimento a Prinz v Norden Stamm, quindi anche Baron Nike, Fedor....io personalmente ho lavorato molto su questo progetto allevatoriale, e se tu guardi per esempio il pedegree di Toscano del Diamante Nero ci sono le conferme alle mie affermazioni.
Si, io sono convinto che la linea Rio Bianco/Diamante Nero sia davvero un buon mix sulla linea Citone e sulla linea Prinz v Norden Stamm.


M.J:
Secondo te quali cani del pedigree di Urbano hanno influenzato di piu' il carattere e la fisionomia di Urbano?

M.S:
Io penso che Urbano risenta molto nella sua conformazione genetica di due cani fondamentali per la definizione del suo genotipo, il primo è Indio del Diamante Nero, che lo ricorda sopratutto per i volumi della testa, il secondo è Graf Quirinus v Nederland Stam, che sicuramente ha portato nella linea Diamante Nero /Rio Bianco una migliore conformazione generale.


Urbano del Diamante Nero - pedigree

Victor Vito del Rio Bianco
Moro del Diamante Nero Indio del Diamante Nero Nero del Diamante Nero
Ora di Stefusto
Flora del Diamante Nero Bodo del Diamante Nero
Senda del Diamante Nero
Zeni del Rio Bianco Napoleone del Rio Bianco Nero del Diamante Nero
Athena del Rio Bianco
Farah del Rio Bianco Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Sophie del Rio Bianco
Indiana del Diamante Nero Nitro del Rio Bianco Nilo del Rio Bianco
Nero del Diamante Nero
Athena del Rio Bianco
Farah del Rio Bianco
Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Sophie del Rio Bianco
India del Diamante Nero Nero del Diamante Nero Feldo del Diamante Nero
Quirin del Diamante Nero
Ora di Stefusto Orion di Campovalano
Uskina di Stefusto

 


M.J: Pensi che Urbano in futuro sarà il maschio giusto per fare  le combinazioni consanguinee? Si o no e perché?

M.S:
Non ci sono tanti discorsi da fare...io riconfermo quello che ho detto prima. Per me un buon progetto allevatoriale, è quello di rientrare sul sangue di Urbano, attraverso femmine che portano combinazione Urbano -Citone e Urbano Baron Nike- Fedor questo è davvero il mio pensiero.

 

Urbano del Diamante Nero



M.J:
Oggigiorno possiamo notare una tendenza di alcuni allevatori di scegliere i cani delle linee americane. Che ne pensi?


M.S:
Ho studiato a fondo e per diversi anni la questione del Dobermann Americano, anche perchè lo confesso sono sempre stato attratto da alcuni aspetti della loro morfologia, tipo per esempio eleganti e asciutte incollature, e quasi sempre buone e tipiche espressioni della testa.
Nel passato, ci sono stati anche importanti tentativi di unire al meglio la linea Americana e quella europea, e a parte il caso più conosciuto, cioè quello dell'allevamento Mariemburg che ottenne all'epoca buoni risultati con la linea V. Franchenhorst, progetto continuato dal Dott. Pezzano quando nel 1995 accoppiò Tequila Mali del Citone con Holmrun Phabio of Marienburg, forse pochi sanno di un altro importante tentativo fatto dagli americani con la collaborazione di un grande allevatore , parlando di Jean Kollemberg più di venti anni fà, e fu quello dell'introduzione nella linea americana di Alida  v. Flandrischen Loewen di sua sorella Amida e successivamente di Kalina v Norden Stamm ed altre femmine , ma secondo il mio punto di vista, i risultati furono lontani dai precedenti accoppiamenti delle stesse femmine, fatti in Europa dallo stesso Kollenberg, con cani Europei. Questo è un mio punto di vista e non pretendo sia la verità assoluta, però è quello che penso veramente. In questi ultimi anni vedo che questi tentativi stanno continuando e altri allevatori stanno cercando di realizzare questo sogno. Siccome siamo in contemporaneità con i fatti preferisco astenermi da fare nomi. Sinceramente stò vedendo qualche buon risultato, ma ritengo che il lavoro sia ancora lungo e complicato, per arrivare al livello dei migliori Dobermann Europei. Devo anche dire che l'aspetto che mi fà più paura è l'aspetto del carattere del cane, che lo trovo nella media, distante geneticamente dal carattere dei Dobermann Europei. Comunque ho sempre considerato il termine evoluzione, come un termine determinante di ogni razza e auguro a questi Allevatori di raggiungere i loro obbiettivi.


M.J: Pensi di utilizzare dei cani americani nel tuo programma d'allevamento?

M.S: Ci ho pensato , ma non ho mai avuto il coraggio, un domani forse....mai dire mai.
Certamente quando prenderò questa decisione, sarà perchè saranno evidenti le capacità riproduttive di questo eventuale stallone.

 

Urbano and Francesco with trophies

 

M.J: Il carattere e' una delle caratteristiche piu' importanti dei dobermann. I dobermann americani sono privi di questa caratteristica e quindi non possono essere confrontati con i cani europei da questo punto di vista. Pensi che l'accoppiare i cani europei e quelli americani sia responsabile?

M.S:
Non ho la profonda conoscenza per affermare questo, io parlavo nella "media" che ho visto con i miei occhi dove ho riscontrato problemi caratteriali nel Dobermann Americano, presumo ovviamente che ci saranno certamente eccezzioni in questo senso.
Insomma io direi di prestare la massima attenzione a questo aspetto, quando un allevatore decidesse di fare questo mix America/Europa, questo è il mio consiglio. E' anche vero che in America, la maggior parte della razza Dobermann è controllata da un loro Club che però non si attiene allo Standard Ufficiale della Dobermann Verein, infatti il loro standard tanto per dirne una prevede anche la mancanza di denti.
Esiste invece nel Nord America un CLUB denominato ADA che agisce sotto le direttive della Dobermann Verein, non sò con certezza se ancora anche il Club UDC faccia parte del contesto Dobermann Verein. Qundi è da sottolineare l'mportanza di queste iniziative prese negli Stati Uniti atte a preservare e promulgare lo Standard Ufficiale del Dobermann, comprese i test ufficiali dello ZTP.


M.J:
Hai menzionato il test ZTP. Secondo te il test ha bisogno di cambiamenti per essere piu' esigente? Oggi ZTP non e' piu' un test d'allevamento che si ottiene difficilmente.

M.S:
Credo che la nostra razza Dobermann ha ancora bisogno del test dello ZTP, non parlo tanto della Germania e dell'Italia, dove la media caratteriale della razza si è stabilizzata da tempo, ma parlo sopratutto di quelle nazioni dove il test dello ZTP è praticato da pochi anni e dove c'è ancora bisogno certamente di questo test per diversi anni ancora. Personalmente penso che ad oggi il test della Korung, sia il traguardo da perseguire in allevamento, io personalmente ritengo la prova della Korung la prova più bella e affascinante dell'intero universo Dobermann, Mi piacerebbe pensare a un futuro, dove gli stalloni più importanti e usati in Allevamento dovessero avere obbligatorio il superamento della Korung, anche perchè sono convinto che questo aspetto servirebbe a rallentare se non ha debellare definitivamente la storia delle due razze cioè quella cosidetta della Bellezza e quella del Lavoro, concetto molto diffuso ma etologicamente completamente errato, parlando di un unico Standard di razza.

 

Champion Riproductore IDC 2012

Massimo Santini, Dr. Pezzano and Francesco with Urbano del Diamante Nero, IDC 2012

 

Urbano and Francesco, IDC 2012

 

M.J: Il futuro della razza dobermann e' in pericolo a causa del divieto di tagliare le orecchie e le code ai cani. Sappiamo cosa e' successo nei pasi come Germania, Belgio o Paesi Bassi. Secondo te come questi cambiamenti potrebbero influenzare la razza? Vedremo i tuoi cani con le code e le orecchie?

M.S:
Da questo punto non si scappa, purtroppo la situazione diventerà definitiva quando avverrà il cambiamento dello Standard.
Inutile fare recriminazioni, al di là del dire che forse, si poteva contrastare meglio e di più sotto il profilo mediatico, il problema nato da i vari movimenti di "falsi animalisti", negli anni 80, specialmente in Germania. Che dire, io mi sono avvicinato e mi sono innamorato alla razza Dobermann, come la maggior parte di noi l'ha conosciuta, quindi mi resta difficile da digerire questa "imposizione". Detto questo, io non sarò certo uno che lascerà la razza Dobermann per questo motivo, e quindi stiamo già avendo nel nostro Allevamento qualche soggetto integro, così....tanto per abituarci all'idea

M.J: Infatti DV ha il diritto di cambiare gli standard essendo il paese dal quale la razza proviene. Il cambiamento e' allora necessario?

M.S: La risposta sarà data, solo se ci sarà il cambiamento dello Standard, in primis dalla DV e dall FCI......fino a quel momento io credo che continueremo a vedere Dobermann integri e cani con orecchie e code tagliate....naturalmente se vuole conoscere quale è la cosa che io desidero, le dico che io vorrei che le cose rimanessero così, cioè con cani integri e cani tagliati....questa è la mia posizione, se poi lo Standard cambia e prevede solo il Dobermann integro, come ho già affermato prima io mi adeguerei senza problemi al nuovo Standard ovviamente, egoisticamente le riconfermo che accada il più tardi possibile, questo sinceramente è quello che io spero.


M.J: Quali altre minacce pensi che ci siano per la razza dobermann? Che bisogna fare per migliorarla?

M.S: Io penso che il lavoro, fatto in questi ultimi 30 anni, sotto il profilo caratteriale attraverso il test dello ZTP, è decisamente migliorato e certamente questo lavoro và continuato con lo stesso impegno profuso fino ad oggi, estendendo il test dello ZTP in tutti quei paesi che ancora non selezionano la razza avvalendosi di questo test.
Credo anche che sotto questo aspetto vada fatto un significativo sforzo, per favorire l'ampliamento a tecnici giudici specialisti della razza, ricorrendo anche a esperti residenti nelle nazioni , dove questo importante test stà diffondendosi.
Detto questo, la cosa che purtroppo riguarda il futuro della razza Dobermann, è la tragedia della DCM.
Purtroppo questa è una piaga, che andrà affrontata a viso aperto  con tutte le forze a disposizione e sopratutto con l'aiuto di tutti.
Importanti inziative che alcuni CLUB, come in primis stà facendo l' AIAD, atte a prevenire ed isolare questa malattia, sono degne della massima attenzione e del massimo rispetto da parte di tutti.
Sono convinto che queste iniziative porteranno ad un miglioramento generale sul controllo di questa terribile patologia.


M.J: Guardando indietro possiamo notare come i cani tipo Gino Gomez, Graaf Quirinus, Baron Nike o Fedor del Nasi hanno influenzato la razza. Come ha influenzato Urbano la razza moderna dei dobermann?

M.S: Graaf Quirinus Van Neerlands Stam secondo il mio punto di vista, ha chiuso negli anni 80/90 in modo eccellente il cerchio genetico di  Hertog Alpha v le Dobry, generando essenzialmente due linee basilari per l'evoluzione del Dobermann moderno, parlando dei suoi due figli più rappresentativi, cioè di Gamon di Campovalano e di Jivago . v.h. Wantij.
Ancora oggi si possono vedere loro indelebili segnali genetici ,  nei più importanti pedegree del mondo.
Sempre dal mio punto di vista negli  anni 2000 , la vera novità genetica sarà rappresentata, da Gino Gomez del Citone, Baron Nike Renewal e naturalmente Nitro del Rio Bianco.
E' evidente e sotto gli occhi di tutto il mondo, che la prosecuzione genetica di questi tre soggetti è continuata e stà continuando, in Baron Nike con Fedor del Nasi, in Nitro con Urbano del Diamante Nero, in Gino Gomez  con Alamo del Citone.
Come ho affermato all'inizio io sono convinto che l'evoluzione della razza Dobermann nel prossimo decennio, attraverserà ed evolverà attraverso intrecciamenti genetici fra questi cani.

 

Urbano and Francesco

 

IDC Siegers 2006, Francesco with Urbano's son - Pathos delle Querce Nere



M.J:
Prima hai menzionato le regole riguardanti gli accoppiamenti di Urbano con varie femmine. Poco fa il tuo nuovo cane - Toscano ha cominciato la sua carriera vincendo la Mostra Mondiale. Essendo il figlio di Urbano e il nipote di Fedor del Nasi quali pensi siano le migliori femmine per Toscano?

M.S:
Intanto, cominciamo con il dire, che Toscano sarà un nostro nuovo Riproduttore, quando lui avrà superato il test dello ZTP, ora è prematuro parlare del suo futuro come Riproduttore, per ora è solo una giovane promessa.
Vede,in Italia, ormai è molto radicata l'idea di accoppiare solo soggetti che hanno superato il test dello ZTP, anche se questo non è obbligatorio per avere il pedegree, è...una sorta di presa di coscienza da parte di molti allevatori, molto importante da rispettare.

 

Francesco and Urbano


M.J:
Cosa vorresti consigliare ai nuovi allevatori? Quali condizioni deve avere una buona femmina d'allevamento?

M.S: E' assolutamente fondamentale, cominciare ad allevare con una femmina ben definita nel suo genotipo, e su linee di sangue ben fissate geneticamente.
Io ricordo che negli anni 80, quando acquistai la mia capostipite Julia v Nymphenburg ( Gildo v Jura x Berenike v Nymphenburg) quando lei aveva già due anni di età, fu realmente un grosso sforzo economico per le mie finanze, ma presi questa decisione, perchè attraverso i miei studi di ricerca che avevo fatto negli anni precedenti, capivo che se volevo una solida base di sangue su cui progettare il futuro del mio allevamento, dovevo partire con una femmina, ben consolidata nel suo genotipo, e per me quella era veramente una buona base da cui partire.
Consiglio anche i neo giovani allevatori che vogliono intraprendere la strada di selezionare questa stupenda razza, di non avere fretta....ma di studiare molto prima....studiare pedegree, capire come certi risultati sono arrivati....frequentare solo i più importanti Show specializzati , e anche se possibile fare conoscenza e amicizia con importanti Allevatori, per parlare con loro della loro esperienza allevatoriale.
Solo dopo aver fatto questi importanti  passi....forse...arriva il momento per acquistare una buona fattrice e iniziare.... questa Fantastica avventura.....

 

Mauro Favero and Massimo Santini with Nitro del Rio Bianco


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

AMERICAN VERSUS EURO TYPE

BELOW IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE

AMERICAN DOBERMAN PINSCHER AND THE EUROPEAN DOBERMANN.

I THINK IT IS A FAIR AND BALANCED COMPARISON, BUT OF COURSE IT IS MY OPINION.

IT WAS WRITTEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT IS STILL RELEVANT TODAY.

IT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN SEVERAL DOBERMAN(N) MAGAZINES AROUND THE WORLD


article was written by Doug Matson (Kansa Dobe), in 2004

 







Essential elements of the type that characterize the dobermann breed and judgment criteria

by Pierluigi Pezzano


Learning is not an event

 

Knowledge cannot be gained through a single event; in fact, it is the result of a continuous process of learning. So it is in every field and profession. For that reason, it’s not easy to judge or to breed. To judge correctly and to breed properly requires having lived some efficacious experiences through which we can gain the right conclusions that we can revise and continually improve by study and comparison. This allows the judge and the breeder to take part in the process of selection and genetic improvement of the dobermann and to decide on it.The official zootechnical evaluations (shows, aptitude tests, work tests) are useful for choosing – according to what is available from the phenotype – the best specimens for breeding and for excluding from it the ones that are presumed to be deteriorating.

Actually, it is the judgement to influence the breeding and both them work on selection and breed improvement. The judgement in canine zoognostic is the expression of an attentive and consistent evaluation written in a concise and complete way, that must correspond to a qualification and, if there’s comparison, to a list.

However we have to keep in mind that when we judge dogs, the quality of the judge’s decisions depends on the interpretation of the standard of the breed according to his ability in order to:

  • choose the best dogs able to realize their mission in life;
  • choose the more typical ones, starting from the evaluation of the constitutional type and of the breed.

The dobermann selected must be the best one on both these aspects.

Anyway, this choice cannot be arbitrary but, on the contrary, it must be closely connected with the precise principles stated by the standard of the breed. The judgement is the most important aspect, since a wrong judgement brings to wrong conclusions not only as far as the aspects of the morphological-functional evaluation are concerned, but also the character. I’m talking about morphological-functional evaluation because beauty, about dobermann, is essentially functional beauty, that’s to say of adaptation.

This means that the standard requires the dobermann to have all those qualities that make him able to obtain the best performance with the minimum effort in the function he has been created for. So, the characteristics that take to concept of beauty are those that have a fundamental role in order to determine the breed type.

The type is the essential element and if a dog lacks it he doesn’t belong to that breed anymore and he cannot be judged. Therefore with a dog who lacks in type or scarcely typical with such a dog we cannot breed. The ZTP test for the dobermann is based upon this principle. So we must explain clearly what we mean about the type. The type is the sum of the relative qualities required by the breed standard for each region of the body, in the respect of the fundamental elements constituted by the proportions between: height-length; height-body mass; height at the withers – length of the body; height of withers – height of chest and by the notes about character and behaviour that are included in the standard. The ideal type is obtained by respecting precise zoometric, physical and aesthetic parameters and avoiding excessive reinforcements that can cause damage to the image of the breed and, above all, to its use.

In fact, the characteristics of the type concern both the structure and the movement and the nature and the basic qualities of the dog.

To have a good eye for judgement

The judge has almost three minutes to evaluate each dog and to choose the more typical, with well developed secondary sexual characters, medium size and the most harmonious. So it’s easy to understand that a dog who is properly showed has more chances. The first questions a judge should make himself whilst evaluating a dog are:

  • Is he powerful, elegant, alert, self confident, muscular, with a proud behaviour?
  • Has he a compact body?
  • Is the length of the body proportioned to the height of withers?
  • Are his transverse diameters well proportioned to the longitude ones?
  • Are his angles and his forequarters and hindquarters balanced?
  • Is his head in the right proportion to the height of the withers and of the chest for length and volume?
  • Is the length of the neck in the right proportion to the height of the withers and to the body?
  • Has he excellent bones, dry and strong?

All that to give answer to a single question: “Is he harmonious?”

Many dogs have the lower line longer than the upper line. This can be caused by an anterior angle too open that makes the dog appear longer than he really is or by a thorax hardly developed in height. Other dogs appear to be exactly square, but what about their croups? And their hind angles? Some others have enough long forequarters and narrow chests, is it serious?
All these questions have precise answers that every breeder or dog lover should be able to give if they think and try to reason them out . Instead, this kind of approach should belong to a judge as an expert, it should be part of his judgement criteria and of his professionalism.

Thus, to a judge the first impression is the dog on the whole, I’m talking about a judge who has a good eye for dogs. That’s to say that the judge is so mentally skilled and well trained that his brain, unconsciously, can catch the global image of the dog and immediately perceive the presence or the lacking in qualities.

This makes the difference between an expert and a beginner: the expert realizes immediately what the beginner can see only at the end or can perceive by chance. Having a good eye for dogs is not a gift from nature, on the contrary it’s the result of a process slowly acquired.
The observation about having a good eye, that we often hear at the ring, can be interpreted as the ability to make choices agreed by the public but without knowing the reason why. However this means “consensus on the judgement”, it’s nor science nor art. It’s important to have a good eye for something that other people approve, but to know why a particular characteristic is better than another is something very different from that.

The expert judge is the one who can explain his choices by giving objective, convincing and technically incontestable reasons. To do that, besides having a high competence and knowledge about the standard, the anatomy, the canine zoognostic, the genetics and the zootechnics, the mechanics and the kinematics, the judge has to know the history, the present of the breed and the objectives of breeding too. That’s to say that he must know the point we started from, the situation we are and what we want to achieve. From this point of view, it’s up to breed societies to give the measures, also by giving guide lines and criteria.

The analytical evaluation

In judging the dog by standing still, it would be better to subdivide the body of the dog into three parts head, body, and limbs, that are still subdivided in regions and sub regions. Each region must be identified, localized and limited on its relations with the surrounding regions and it must be described regarding its shape, position, length, height and direction in order to infer its qualities or faults.

The analytical evaluation of a dog is based upon the careful observation of each region and sub region and the relations that are involved in forming the whole of him, unique and indivisible. The harmony of the whole comes out from the harmony of the single regions and sub regions, and in every breed it corresponds to a function that justifies the standard.

The concept of harmony is essential, above all in the dobermann. In fact, the evaluation of the harmony of the whole is fundamental to the criteria of judgement since it also forms the basis of the judge’s ability to recognize whether a dobermann corresponds or not to the constitutional breed type, even before starting analysing the single quality and fault. The constitutional breed type is deduced from the standard, and it’s defined by:

  • the examination of the diametrical proportions;
  • the examination of the structure: body mass(weight + volume), referred to height;
  • the examination of the outlines;
  • the examination of the harmony of conformation.

The evaluations of the outlines, the proportions and the structure so as the relations between the single regions and the height at the withers, are subject to precise scientific rules. Therefore, the cornerstones of judgement criterion must have precise and certain references into the standard of the breed and in the scientific dictate. It’s the same for the basis of the principles of genetic improvement, any other criterion or method are wrong.
The dobermann, as described and requested by the standard, is a galloping breed, with an alert temperament, a very developed cleverness, proud and self confident in every situations. His general appearance is of medium size, with a correct equilibrium between strength and elegance. So he must appear strong and muscularly built, powerful and elegant (by preferably being in the medium size accepted by the standard about the two sexes: 70 cm in males, 65/66 cm in females).

His body is almost square, this means that in the dobermann the length of the body measured from the tip of the shoulder (shoulder blade – humerus articulation) to the tip of the buttock (ischium) is almost equal to the height at the withers. So, regarding his structure, the dobermann is an harmonious galloper, that’s to say that every regions of his body must be well proportioned in length, height and breadth, to the height at the withers and to the body as far as the volume and must have the right direction in comparison with the reference directrix.
In the dobermann, the relations among the single regions are scientifically and coherently determined by that reason that he is a medium size galloper,, harmonious in his structure. Some examples of disharmony are: short head by comparison with the height at the withers or little in proportion to the body, back not well proportioned with the front, neck too weak by comparison with the body or too short in relation to the height at the withers, too little chest or too long forequarters in relation to the height at the withers.

The dobermann is also harmonious in his outlines, that must be straight, that’s to say without interruption or jolts or tooaccentuate height differences. The outlines that we must consider in the judgement are those of the head, the lips, the neck, the back, the croup, the legs, the chest and the abdomen.

The dobermann’s diametrical proportions are inferable by comparing the longitude diameters with the transverse diameters; these relations must therefore be those of a medium size galloper. When the transverse diameters prevail in a visible way we have the strong meso-morph type (shorter bones, fore chest excessively large, muscles developed in high rather than in length…); on the contrary, if thelongitude diameters prevail, we have the dolicomorph type (too long limbs, light head for length and volume, narrow fore chest, little developed chest in height, short and too much sloping croup, too rampant body top line, too much tuck up under line, light bones…). We must pay great attention to all that since at the base of the dobermann genetics there are both dolicho morph and strong meso morph dogs. In particular, we can represent that same genetic base by the geometric shapes hereby represented, from which it’s easy to realize the presence of Alex von Kleinwaldheim as common ancestor of all modern who still influences greatly and negatively the background inbreeding of many of them.

Prof. Giuseppe Solaro used to say that the judgement should begin from the tip of the muzzle and finishes at the tip of the tail, going through all the regions of the body. Experience teaches the judge to synthesize in the judgement the positive and the negative elements that will determine the dog’s classification. I think that the real difficulty to judge correctly is that it’s easier to recognize the qualities rather than the faults in a dog. Maybe this is the difference, not even so thin, that marks the boundary between the expert judge and the profane. This should avoid seeing winning dogs with few faults but without qualities and class (style).

We have already said that the judge, in the course of his job, has to comply with the standard of the breed because in it are described the normal type, that’s to say the ideal of the breed. I know well that the normal type is rare, anyway he’s the ideal to search for according to the morphological harmony and to the function. So, the best way to be useful to the breed is to try to achieve the type as described by the standard, through programs of breeding, shows and zootechnical tests. Working in a different way from this, means to make damage to the breed and also to their own breeding. I’m referring to the fact that some dog lovers, judges and breeders appear to be likely to exaggerate in the search for some characteristics of the type and do not pay the necessary attention to a correct selection of the normal and harmonious dobermann as described by the standard, promoting exaggerations of the type rather than recognize the quality in its right measure.

In order to that, we must keep in mind that, in the dobermann, any deviation from the normality stated by the standard alters the harmony of the whole and or the function or a relative virtue, and, because of that, it must be considered a fault to be penalized according to its deviation from normality. Therefore, also each characteristic exceeding the type, that’s to say the hyper typical regions or sub regions are to be seen as a fault, since they alter the proportions or modify a relative virtue and don’t conform with the standard.

It also happens that many people often confuse the absence of type with the hyper type. In fact, it’s wrong to classify as hyper type, for instance according to the characteristics of his head, a dobermann with a short muzzle and with a large and globular cranium. Who reasons in this way is certainly wrong, because he considers as hyper typical a head that in reality is out of type. Indeed, the hyper type, is the result of a genetic or environment forcing of a virtue, never of a fault. Hyper typical is a head 4/10 longer than the height at the withers, in which, for instance, the muzzle line is longer than the skull line, while the other relations are well kept. On the contrary it’s typical a head quite correct in proportions, axes, volume and outlines, even if longer than the height at the withers: “very good long head, parallel, shaped in the form of a blunt wedge and well proportioned, even if a little disharmonious compared with the height at the withers”. The same head with a muzzle line shorter than the skull line, or presenting another, not serious, fault in the proportions or in the lines, cannot be considered nor typical nor hyper typical; we can say that it is fairly or enough typical, but never very good or excellent. Once more, in the dobermann, we can consider hyper typical an eyelid with a tendency to bend inside to show an entropion, whereas this breed requires a thin and close lying eyelid, in a semi-lateral position in relation to the median axis of the cranium. This example, but it’s not the only one, represents also the case in which a deviation towards the hyper type can lead to disqualifying defaults. Now let’s take fore chest and chest into account.

The fore chest is large, wide and muscular. Its width, measured at the upper front arms edges, must reach 25% the height at the withers. The manubrium of the breastbone must stay at shoulders point level.

The chest must fall well (well developed in height), it must reach the elbow level; the ribs are long, well arched and oblique with well wide inter costal spaces. The lower edge of the fore chest, which overlaps with the lower edge of the breastbone, is long and its line makes a large chord semi circle that goes up towards the abdomen. The circumference of the chest must be almost ¼ more than the height at the withers.

When the dimensions of the breast and chest are very smaller than the expectation and the whole forepart, from the ground to the tip of the funny bone is too long, that’s to say that it greatly exceeds the 51% of the height at the withers, everybody agrees that that dobermann is out of the constitutional breed type.

Instead, it’s often considered as hyper type a dobermann with excessive transverse diameters, very wide chest, very large fore chest, powerful musculature and strong bones. I think this is a wrong way to reason about. In fact, if we consider the function and the speed normal dobermann must develop, I mean a dobermann corresponding to the standard, it’s easy to understand that even the dobermann who has been built to develop strength and not speed is out of the constitutional breed type, since he is slow and powerful, not rapid and full of temperament.

In order to the normality and the hyper type, our late lamented dr. Valter Gorrieri wrote: “Milo, the great sculptor and harmony teacher, whilst modelling his Venus’ proportions, breast and gluteus, had the ability to limit the dosage without falling in those temptations that would have brought him to vain emphases, to form an ideal feminine beauty. Mirone followed these same principles sculpting his Discobolo. Both the artists shaped the image of a woman and of a man who, with exemplary normality, expressed an absolute virtue”.

According to all that, I think that the general characteristics that define the dobermann can be summed up in a few words: “His general conformation is that of a meso morph with a perfect equilibrium between powerfulness and elegance, his body appears to be almost square, his structure and outlines are harmonious”.

His principal characteristics of the type are:

  • the head is chiseled with parallel upper head axes;
  • the stop is well defined;
  • the eyes are middle size, oval, very expressive and semi lateral;
  • the cranium is flat;
  • the muzzle has lateral surfaces fairly convergent, with a straight upper line, well tight flews;
  • the ear is set high, cropped and carried erect (if not cropped, it is flat, triangular shaped, lying close to cheeks, its length is less than a half of the total length of the head);
  • the withers are well pronounced;
  • the neck is elegant, pyramidal shaped, softly curved at the upper outline;
  • the upper outline of the body falls gently from front to back;
  • the skin is thin and fits closely all over;
  • bones and veins well visible under the skin;
  • the hair is short, naturally shiny.

We must give the same importance to the size required by the standard and to the weight of the dog that, in comparison with the height, tells us which his mass is. Size, mass, character and natural qualities of the dobermann strongly influence his way of being from the point of view of the morphology, the functionality and the dynamism.

The Italian school and our culture about selection and the about the morpho functional evaluation of the dobermann are essentially based upon three fundamental concepts:

  1. the dobermann breeding is based upon his equilibrium, his natural qualities and his being typical;
  2. the head tells about the breed;
  3. as stated above, points 1 and 2, the dobermann with a good character and who is closer to the normal type and moves better must win.

The statement “the head tells the breed” seems superficial or evident, on the contrary, if we reason from a technical point of view it’s easy to prove that, while evaluating the particularities of the type, and therefore the qualities of a pure bred dog, the number of regions and sub regions of the head, in comparison with the body, represents the large part of the whole.

In fact, 22 of the 57 regions that form the body belong to the head.

So, it’s not wrong to say that the structure of the regions and sub regions that form the head marks for the great part the type of the dobermann. Naturally, the type of the head is not only due to its length and to the relation between the length of the skull and le length of the muzzle, but it’s due to the type and to the harmony of all its regions. One thing is to say “long and well in proportion”, other is to say “very typical head, parallel, well chiselled, shaped in the form of a blunt wedge, long and well in proportion and well detached from the upper edge of the neck; strong muzzle and jaw, tight lips; oval eyes in semi lateral position, dark ochre iris; correct stop, large and straight muzzle; correctly inserted nose, nostrils with large openings and mobile; flat cheeks; flat cranium; forehead furrow well visible; well contained zygomatic bone; eyebrow still visible; correct Occipital line; ear set high and well carried; thin throat…”.

The dobermann ’s head is dolichocephalic; this means that its longitudinal diameter is more developed than the transverse one. Its total length (measured by the compass or then ruler from the upper front edge of the muzzle to the medium external point of the Occipital crest) reaches the 4/10 of the height at the withers; the length of the muzzle must be a half of the total length of the head, so that the one half of the total length of the head falls upon the horizontal line that links the interior angles of the eyes.

The width between the two bone arches of the skull must be less than the half of the total length of the head; therefore the total head index must be more than 45.

Head Index = Width x 100 / Total Length

Seen from the profile and from the top, the dobermann’s head looks like a blunt wedge; seen from the side we can appreciate its upper outline that is straight like all the other outlines of the dobermann. About the head the straight profile coincides with a perfect parallelism between the axis of the skull and the upper axis of the muzzle.

I want to use this occasion to give, according to scientific basis, a correct definition of these two axes or ideal planes, since it seems to me that many people still don’t know exactly how to individuate and to read in a way technically corrected the parallelism, the convergence and the divergence. I have seen recently a comment on the standard published by the American Dobermann Pinscher Club (they still call the dobermann “dobermann pinscher”…), with some drawings, very precise and very fine, but partly absolutely wrong, as wrong is the great part of the concepts that describe the salient points about the structure and the type of the breed.

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The head of all the dogs in the world submits to three upper outlines: straight, concave and convex. These outlines depend on the relation between the upper longitudinal axes of the skull and of the muzzle. This relation is called parallelism or convergence or divergence. The profile of the dobermann’s head is straight, like all its other outlines. This means that the upper longitudinal axes of the skull and of the muzzle are parallel. When the upper axis of the skull meets the upper longitudinal axes of the muzzle there is convergence. When the upper longitudinal ax of the muzzle meets the upper axis of the skull there is divergence.

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In fact, in these drawings by prof. Giuseppe Solaro, that represent the parallelism of the Setter, the mono convergence of the Pointer and the very marked divergence of the Italian Bracco, we can clearly see that the upper axis doesn’t not coincide with the upper outline of the skull, on the contrary it consists of the straight line or of the ideal plane that passes from the craniometrical point inion (corresponding to the medium external point of the occipital crest) to the craniometrical point nasion (corresponding to the point where the nasal bones meet the frontal bones). The axis of the muzzle, on the contrary, consists of the straight line or of the ideal plane that follows the upper outline of the muzzle, by linking the upper anterior extremity of the to its posterior extremity, that is at the halfway point of the transverse line that links the internal angles of the eyes.

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It’s often a little difficult, for those who don’t have a practised eye to catch the exact reference points, to say whether these two ideal planes or ideal lines are parallel or not, even because, looking at the dobermann’s head from side, the inion and the whole Occipital crest are invisible because hidden by the ears. In this case, a good method is to observe the upper axes while the dobermann is moving with his ears turned back. So everything will be clearer.

I don’t want to give a particular attention to the faults of the head because, as I have already said, about it in Italy we have a good knowledge and good tradition that we ought to emphasize by further improve our products. However I’d like to point out the necessity of paying a particular attention not only to the proportion between the length of the skull and the length of the muzzle (many muzzles are still short) but above all to prominent noses in comparison with the front face of the muzzle and to thin and insufficient jaws often optically hidden by too developed lips rather than by a fleshy chin. These faults, partly improved during the last ten years, go together they are serious not only if considered themselves but because a pointed muzzle and a weak jaw usually denote a certain tendency towards undershot jaw.

When this is absent, we often see lower incisors extremely inclined or little, in order to correct the shortness of the jaw.

conos_teeth.jpgOn the subject of tooth, it’s all right to pay attention to the alignment of the incisors during the first three years of life of the dog, but it would be more useful to pay the greatest care to the right shot between the incisors and the pre molars. In many dogs, the canines are too separated and the pre molars close badly. The judge should always notice these faults and penalize them according to their gravity.

About that, we must consider that the faults concerning canines and pre molars that close badly often seriously condition the shot of the mouth and also the correct occlusion of the lower incisors with the upper ones.

As far as the evaluation of the head, I only want to add two things. The first one concerns the eyes, the second is about the under orbital region. In a dog, the position of the eyes is very important because it is closely connected with the conformation of the orbits and of the skull, so it is a very important index of type. In the dobermann this position is semi lateral, even if to the minimum, according to the median axis of the skull.

The eyelids are close lying and middle sized. They must be oval, neither round nor slit. The interior angle of the eyelid must be at the same distance between the front edge of the nose and the extreme external tip of the occipital crest. Therefore, there many dogs with eyes in sub frontal position and others in lateral position. Faults as such, fortunately not too common, are serious since they disfigure the expression of the breed. The eyes tell everything in a dobermann. His frank and direct look, expressive, ablaze and sometimes pushy, is his prerogative since it expresses the impetuous and generous being that characterizes our breed. However it’s very difficult to appreciate all that when we see a dobermann with little and deep set eyes.

This absolute fault (that so is for all breeds), that we find more and more frequently in Europe, is genetically passed on and it often exceeds in microftalm that represent an out and out disease. So it’s correct that judges and breeders pay the greatest attention to this problem.

According to the standard, the head of the dobermann, in each part, must not have wrinkles, the skin is thin and well close to underlying tissues, that’s to say absolutely soft and smooth, that makes you get a glimpse of the salient bones and the veins, as to emphasize its fine feature.

This means that the whole head of the dobermann must be very well chiselled. In particular, the sub orbital region is strictly connected with this concept since its characteristics are determinant to exalt the dobermann’s expression and his type.

The sub orbital region must be well chiselled; this means that it must have some protrusions that show a smooth and very thin skin, very little cellular tissue under the skin, muscles lightly developed.

The sub orbital region includes a semicircle under the lower edge of the orbits. Its anatomic base is the upper part of the mascellar bone, part of the cheek bones and the orbits. Above all that, to be well chiselled means that the base of the cheek bone is little developed and so is the upper mascellar bone, which thinness shows the shapes of the two molars and of the sub orbital hole.

All these shapes are more marked in a thin bone, as the dobermann should have, and are his particularities. Unfortunately the lack of these characters is rather common in Europe. It reveals thick skin, an exaggerate development of the under skin and muscular tissues as well as the mascellar bone and the base of the cheek bone, all that denotes scarce distinction: this fault is commonly called “kneaded head” or “not chiselled”.

The dobermann ’s neck is like a blunt pyramid with the base down and a blunt top where the head is connected. The length of the neck, measured from the nape to the cranial edge of the withers, with the neck in distension, must be at least equal to the length of the head, or it must at least reach the 4/10 of the height of withers. Down, the neck must widen gradually and harmoniously toward the body: such harmony depends on the position of the shoulder blades and of withers; only high withers and well oblique shoulder blades make possible this harmonious fusion both on the sides and in high. In the dobermann, the neck must be carried erect, proudly and with nobility. The neck must be well muscled and this is very important because these muscles condition the movement of the dog (head-neck balancing) and are important for the movement of the arm and of the shoulder and for the solidity of the dorsal – lumbar region during the movement.

A weak neck, fortunately rare to find in our breed, is a very bad fault in every breed; in fact, besides being disharmonious in comparison with the other regions of the body, it reveals weak physical structure and scarce endurance.

The dobermann’s neck, moreover, must be well dry – it must not have any skin pleats at the lower edge; its upper outline shows a light convexity that starts just after the end of the nope and disappears while extending towards withers.

Beyond the problems of flaccid skin that are diminishing in the last years, today we often see short necks, sometimes a little light, or cylindrical and a little flat, rarely weak necks, as already said. A dumpy neck gives the dobermann very ordinary features.

Both a short neck and a cylindrical one are bad, that’s to say that there’s no harmony in forming a whole with the next regions, in particular shoulder, withers and back. This is always due to a short and badly sloping shoulder causing also some important faults in movement: dogs that fall ahead, problems while moving ahead the fore limbs, centre of mass moving backward, etc….

Related to the structure, we must notice that short shoulder is often connected with a short arm little sloping and with flat withers. It’s easier to see the fault about a short arm; whereas the judge avoids evaluating the length and the inclination of the shoulder because it’s more difficult to do. However we have to keep in mind that the most serious fault of the forequarters is always the shoulder, because it is more determinant than the arm in the mechanics of movement. Another important factor that influences negatively the proportion of our dobermann is the forearm that is often too long. Unfortunately, as we I have already said, this fault often is accompanied by a deviation of the type towards the greyhound.

The dogs that have these faults must be penalized also in breeding since the excessive length of the forearm often alters the proportions between height and length of the dog and, therefore, the type (dogs shorter than tall with rampant upper lines). For reason of time, this can not be a complete argumentation anyway I want to announce you a forthcoming accurate treatise on this subject that I hope will arouse your interest. However, according to my objectives in writing this document, and even about the faults that nowadays characterize the dobermanns in Europe, I cannot leave out the upper outline of the body, the croup, the fundamental concepts about movement and, last but not least, the character. The upper outline of the body involves the back, the loins (kidneys) and the croup. Right now I want to say that, in every work breed, a well structured loin has one only correct outline: the convex one. In canine galloping breeds, that like the dobermann must have a very fast gallop, but also a remarkable endurance, the back outline has to be almost straight. By the dog’s anatomy we know that the function of the cervical ligament is to tense, lift up and give rigidity to the dorsal-lumbar part of the backbone. If this ligament is relaxed and weak, the spiny protuberances of the dorsal small bones converge towards their top causing the so called “saddle back”; in this case the dog has scarce endurance and is a little fast, on the contrary the “kyphotic back” is rigid and damages the flexibility of the spine causing difficult and skipping movements.

Unfortunately still nowadays there are dobermanns who show weak backbones even standing still. An excessively long and/or frail kidney can make this problem worse. On the contrary, the kidney must be short, large and wrapped in muscles. If both back and kidney are weak, the problem is serious and we must pay great attention in judging and above all in breeding. Another reason to give attention is the croup. About it, even if in the last fifteen years things have improved, there still are many dogs that have a short croup excessively sloping.

From a functional point of view, about the coup the slope is much more important than the length since it is fundamental for the movement. Such a consideration is not difficult to understand for anyone has elements of mechanics and animal physics of movement, even if approximate.

In fact, the croup in its essential skeleton base, (Ilium and ischium) is the region through which the back push is given, therefore, if the slope is bad the dog’s gait will be seriously lacking. A croup that is too sloping will condition the back push up even if the hindquarters and the angles are correct, nor it’s worth the attention some handlers have to force the dog to move with the neck lifted by the collar. When this happens, the good judge already knows that the slope of the croup and/or the shoulder and of the arm is wrong. The evaluation of the dog while he is moving (at an ordinary walk, at a little trot and at a fast trot) is useful to verify if the harmony the dog shows standing still is real or is apparent. The main faults about the gait a judge should pay attention in the ring, are:

  • too razing gait, it is said that the dog walks too close to the ground when, because of a defective structure or problems of character, he lifts too little his limbs from the ground;
  • wobbly gait, it is said that the animal wobbles when he moves in a marked way his centre of gravity to the side. This happens when the dog ambles because of a fault of the push or when he’s weak and tired;
  • crossing gait, it is said that the dog crosses in the front biped as in the back, or in both them, when his limbs make a trajectory that is not parallel to the median ideal plane that cuts the body into two halves in length and are inclined to cross. As far as the front is concerned, this kind of gait can be considered defective when the fault is very marked since the dog, like all the quadrupeds, at trotting, takes always the limbs a little towards the inside as he is toeing in. On the contrary, as far as the hindquarters are concerned, any little deviation is a fault because they always must move parallel to the median plane of the body.

A gait is considered correct when:

  1. the rhythm is regular;
  2. the limbs move parallel to the median plane of the body;
  3. the movements are rapid and elastic;
  4. the articulations are in perfect harmony with the movements of the body;
  5. the horizontal and lateral movements are modest.

Behaviour And Character

The standard states about the behaviour, the character and the natural qualities of the dobermann:“The Dobermann must be fundamentally friendly and calm; he’s very devoted to the family and he loves children. In the Dobermann a medium temperament and a medium alertness is desired. The Dobermann is easy to be trained and he enjoys working and at the same time he must be courageous and show a strong character. Since the Dobermann is very attentive to everything happens around him and has an adequate reaction to circumstances, we appreciate the fact that he’s very self confident and intrepid”.

In order to the character, I want to tell in advance my personal belief: everybody talks about the character but just a few know its meaning. This is a big problem because, for instance, many breeders still believe to be able to judge themselves the character of their dogs, avoiding putting them to the required tests that are necessary to give an evaluation as much as possible objective.

On the contrary, I believe that to understand in a correct way the character of a dog or, much better, to realize his nature in its various aspects and individual particularities is much more difficult than pick out the positive and negative notes that characterize the same dog according to the type and the structure. The character and the natural qualities of the dobermann are well described in the standard, so every judge, breeder and dobermann lover should understand and know that this evaluation cannot be disregarded and must be done in the correct way before qualifying any dog and, above all, before allowing him to reproduction.

In a show the judge’s observation is objectively limited to the dog’s behaviour because the evaluation of the natural qualities and more in general of the dobermann’s qualities as a working dog are tested by the Ztp and the other sporting and training tests. So let’s see some behaviours or signals that are usual in insecure, nervous or fearful dogs.
In the ring some dobermanns show a great insecurity or fear when they are measured or when we control their teeth or their testicles, or more easily when the judge goes near him. Others, especially some females, show to fear their fellows.

From young class forward, dogs like those must be excluded from judgment and the same is for those dogs that show aggressiveness towards man or an excessive aggressiveness towards the other dogs. To tell the truth, in most cases it is a question of false aggressiveness or aggressiveness due to insecurity and fear.

I think the judge can avoid excluding the babies and the juniors who show insecurity or fear because, at that age, the character (genetic predisposition + environmental influence) is not completely formed. Moreover also in these classes the dog’s behaviour should be described and the qualification should be visibly influenced by it.

The experience in the ring should have taught to realize immediately any different expressions and insecure behaviours of the dobermann.

The first information can be given by the way the dog moves when he gets into the ring. In this phase we happen to see some dogs entering insecurely, a little stiff, walking “on tiptoe” that’s to say almost grazing the ground rather than putting the limbs on it strongly, securely and in a relaxed manner. Such behaviour, after having been verified during the judgment through other signs, in most cases will demonstrate that that dog is insecure.
There are other dobermanns who dilate the eyelids and lay bare the cornea as soon as the judge goes towards them and before he touches them, moving jerkily the ears laterally backwards and visibly lowering the tail, these are signs of serious insecurity or fear. The same is for those dogs who, if not called from the outside, trot holding the head high keeping the ears erect and the neck almost vertically. Unless these dogs have a serious fault of inclination of the shoulder, there are looking around with concern and are looking for protection because they feel possible dangers by being in an unknown situation.

On the contrary, a secure dog that walks or trots calmly, holds his head lower with the neck in an almost horizontal position and turns his ears laterally backwards. Anyway, the behaviour of the same handler often suggests the judge the character of the dog.

In all these cases above we must keep in mind that if these behaviours influence decidedly the judgment, even without exceeding, we must give evidence to the handler.
It means that the handler has to be aware of the situation and understand it without the judge raging and humiliating the dog.

 

by Pierluigi Pezzano




When a being dobermann lover isn’t enough

Selection, inbreeding and genetic improvement of the doberman

by Pierluigi Pezzano


Among the several reasons that can induce to choose a pure-bred dog, the possibility to foresee his physical and behavioural characteristics occupies a role of primary importance. The process of taming dogs began about 14000 years ago; in the course of time the man decreed the birth of the various different breeds by fostering the reproduction, and therefore selecting, of those types suitable for some determinate needs: the attitude towards hunting, guard or controlling cattle. This brought to a direct selection of behavioural characteristics and to an indirect selection of some morphological characteristics, such as the shape of the outer ears or the colour of the coat.
At the end of the nineteenth century, the advent of official registers (studbooks) supported the drawing up of morphological standards that however, in many cases, caused the loss of importance of working attitudes.

In Italy, the institution that has the purpose to control the pure bred canine population is the ENCI (Ente Nazionale della Cinofilia Italiana).
Article 2 of the Social Statute states: “The ENCI is a breeders association with economic and technical aspects, aiming at protecting canine breeds by improving and increasing the breeding, as well as regulating and promoting their utilization and value for zoo technical purposes besides sports…” The regulation concerning the constitution of Specialized Societies is described by article 21 of the Social Statute, that also explains its duties: “The board of the ENCI admits as its members with the name of Breed Specialized Associations and gives its own recognition to those Associations that are legally constituted by owners of dogs registered on the genealogical book, who take care for the population genetic improvement, the study, the value of the increment and the employment of a single breed or of a group of similar breeds, entrusting them with research and verification tasks and making agree with them about particular forms of intervention aimed to attain the programs pursued by the Association. The Specialized Associations are also asked to give technical supports to the Central Technical Commission stated by the disciplining guide of the genealogical book…”
In this way, the selection and the genetic improvement of the breed become the essential conditions to realize the mission of Breed Specialized Associations.

The Technical Rules of the Italian Breed help this work of selection and genetic improvement and distinguish between normal reproduction and selected reproduction. So all the parents of the inscribed litters are registered as ordinary or selected sires. As far as the dobermann breed is concerned, a selected sire is the one who is inscribed on the ROI and has the following requisites:


  • Ztp attained with qualification 1A or 1B;
  • Certificate ENCI 2 or SCHH or IPO organized by AIAD ;
  • Exemption form eye diseases stated by a certified veterinarian.


These requisites are also required for those dogs that are imported and inscribed on the Registro del libro genealogico in order to be admitted to selected reproduction. In the event of mate or artificial insemination by a foreign stud, the sons will be inscribed as “be born of selected parents” only if the parents own the same requisites. The sons of selected parents will have a different genealogical certificate with the writing “be born of selected parents”.

The ENCI is a Breeders’ Association and it’s also AIAD, the first one to experiment and to promote selected reproduction in Italy, so it has to accelerate its processes to keep in the vanguard.
Till now the most important step, rightly considered the foundation of the progress in genetic improvement, is the registration of dogs’ performance and certain identification. In our field, the choice of sires to be selected has been based on the concept that animals with the best phenotype look have also the best genotype. The accuracy of this assessment has been gradually improved by comparing and choosing dogs with a genetic likeness superior to the medium of the population (Social Championship, evaluation of performances, statistical-probabilistic evaluation of the genetic quality (worth) of sires according to offspring tests resulting from Ztp data and stored by WinBreed, evaluation of the pedigree, correct determination of the inbreeding read on seven or ten generations).

However I believe that, today, we cannot put aside from a more accurate registration of performances not even from a correct consideration for some phenotypic characteristics of our dobermanns, based on precise and tested models of linear measurement. Obviously these evaluations are out of range of medium breeders but of more structured organizations (specialised centres) able to store and use the data.

In this view the selection program will allow us to choose the best sires (top) and to reject the worst ones, with the purpose of trying to improve the frequency of favourable genes.
This can be realized by selecting the ones with the highest phenotypic qualities, in the belief that their best qualities can be passed on to their sons, obtaining, at last, the sought for improvement.
The policy of the Specialized Association has to concentrate on selecting healthy types, always referring to the population belonging to the breed and to the characteristics of the breed described on the official standard. The genetic improvement of an animal population is pursued by selection that is the choice of the next generation sires.

Nowadays we know that the selection from species to species and from species to breed passes because of a loss of genes and of an increase of the homozygosis; this is the reason why a mating between two dogs cannot produce a cat and a mating between two dobermanns cannot produce a greyhound (even if sometimes something looking like comes out…).
So we must consider that, since a great part of the original genetic heritage has been lost in the characterisation of the species and another great part to define the breed, since the process of selection substantially implies an homozygosis increment – not only because of inbreeding –, a modern dog’s genes are for the most in homozygosis. Now we need to know that only a little fraction of genes allows the breeder to carry out selection and genetic improvement and to give his own imprint on dobermann’s modern breed. So when we talk about inbreeding, or factor of inbreeding (F), and we measure it, we must bear in mind that that measure is referred to a little part of our dobermann’s’ genetic heritage. We must also make it clear that the factor of inbreeding (F) cannot be considered as a direct consequence of the homozygosis because the two alleles passed on by different ancestors could have already been functionally identical.

In order to avoid any misunderstandings about the word inbreeding, I want to clarify that, since it is the result of mating in the same family, it is part of mating systems and that even if it’s very useful the calculus of inbreeding (F), this last is not, as someone says, “a method for selection” and it’s useless at the genetic evaluation of sires, that is carried out according to proper scientific methods. It is a step in the process of selection.
Therefore, we can state that the word “inbreeding” I used in association with three different meanings, that’s to say:

  1. inbreeding of the individual (or of a population), it’s an index of the individual’s homozygosis (or of the population) that can be measured by proper methods using the inbreeding coefficient (or inbreeding) (F) and that goes from 0 … to 1.
  2. inbreeding as a mating system, used both as a regular mating system between individuals with known family relationship, and in the practice of linebreeding (mating inside the line). It’s one of the instruments for genetic improvement and gives more or less advantageous results. In this way inbreeding can be considered a filter whose efficacy, in the immediate or in the course of time, depends on the accuracy and on the specific knowledge of the one who determines its intensity and way.
  3. inbreeding between two individuals, used as a measure of their family relationship, since it’s referred to a specific coefficient of inbreeding called Falconer, different form the one described on point 1) and with which it must not be confused.
    We’d better avoid this term (and use “family relationship) in order to keep misunderstandings away.

Nowadays we know that inbreeding, in itself, hasn’t any particular negative or positive action since, with (o by?) genes homozygosis, it brings to a progressive purification of the genetic inheritance owned by the family or the line founders.

As I have already said, in the genetic improvement of dobermann the process of selection is oriented towards the choice of animals with the highest genetic reproduction factors (additive genetic factors); it employs the existing differences in reproduction factors between the various dogs examined for ancestry or blood line.
There are three steps in the selection process:

  • the measure and the registration of the characteristics
  • the genetic evaluation of the sires
  • the choice of the sires

A selection program can be arranged as following:

  • set the objectives of selection: the morphological and behavioural characteristics that must be improved;
  • organize the selection outlines: the way of meeting the objectives;
  • consider the availability and the effectiveness of the instruments of selection;
  • verify the course of selection programs

The selection is easier when it’s a single character to be selected (for instance: withers height) but, on the other hand, the breeding of pure-bred dogs needs to select more characteristics that involve both the type’s morphology and his attitudinal and behavioural aspects. So it’s very important to define the characteristics why to select and even to determine the right way to achieve the fixed objectives.
After having studied and verified the objectives of the selection, we need to plan the strategy in order to achieve them.
This is the selection outline: to define which will be the sires of the future generation.
From a genetic point of view, the selection should aim at moving the average of the population and not only at producing just some outstanding elements.
In fact, the outstanding elements grow out of a very selected reproduction and such they are only if they are able to show signs of genetic improvement in their sons on average compared with the relative population.
Always keeping in mind that everyone passes on to his sons a half of his own genes and that, because of the additive effects of genes, they represent the ability or capability of the single one to transmit (Transmitting Ability) or ETA (Estimating Transmitting Ability) that is equal to the half of his reproductive factor.

The concept of selection is strictly connected with that one of intensity of selection, that’s to say the index that shows how much the choice of sires is limited; in fact, if we decide to consider as sires the best 20% of the population it’s intuitive to expect, among them, a greater progress rather than having considered the best 60% of the population.
Anyway we must pay attention to some dangerous genetic bottle-necks that can cause the loss of characteristics and the genetic impoverishment of the breed (high inbreeding).

Therefore, after having set the objectives and the programs of selection and made the necessary instruments available, we need to check the effectiveness of these programs and the results that have been produced by them. All that to make us sure that we are going in the right direction and at which speed.
In order to be able to apply a selection program we need a source of specific information on the population we are interested in. A wide knowledge of the breed and the different morphological and behavioural characteristics we want to select provides a solid foundation for any plan of selection. Even the genetic correlations of the different characteristics with the possibility to inherit them must be carefully studied.

In every program of selection, the physiological determining factors are: possible inheritance, variability and genetic correlation.
The basis of the objectives of selection can be summed up in a few words: health, attitude to work, behaviour, type – morphology, well-being.
The objectives of selection can concern the rapidity of learning, the elimination of a genetic pathology or the improvement of some somatic characteristics.
In sum, we must decide which characteristics we want to keep and which ones we want to give prominence in the new generations.

The way in which characteristics are passed determines how easily we can achieve our objectives of selection. The answer to selection can be quick with qualitative characteristics coded for by a single gene, such as the colour of the coat, or it can require many generations, for instance in case of quantitative characteristics coded for by several genes and depending in proportion to the environment (for instance HD).
The aim of breeding determined by the objectives of selection must be always directed towards the interest of the whole population rather that of a few elements. Health is the first objective among those above; the importance of selecting healthy types has to consider the come up of problems connected with a tendency to exaggerate the morphological characteristics described by the breed standard (hypertype).

While planning the eradication of genetic pathologies, we should pay a particular attention to those genetic pathologies that cause death to those suffering from, or that cannot be controlled. One of the primary aims is to reduce the number of puppies affected by pathology since their birth. The availability of tests to identify precociously those dogs affected by pathology and carriers can make the management of the genetic pathology easier, even if it’s very important to know always their accuracy.
An important basic concept is that mutations and genetic disorders are strictly bound to life and will be always present to various degrees. All living organisms, plants or animals, are characterized by a high number of genes that contribute to life and help the adaptation and the survival of species, but also by a number of negative and even lethal genes.

To obtain the phenotype uniformity we employ inbreeding selection, that’s to say a mating between animals in blood relationship. The result of this method can be very negative when applied to closed population without the right preparation and the right criteria (dog breeds with closed registers). We can have, in fact, a loss of genetic material and of genetic variability useful for studying selection plans. The danger is that there is a high probability that negative genes can be passed on from parents because of reduction of genetic variability.
The trend is that in a particular breed the number of disorders decreases while the frequency increases; it also maybe that the genetic disorder and its degree become, more or less peculiar of the breed itself. Since the approach to the problem depends on the breed that is being considered, it’s evident the centrality of the Specialized Society about the study and the formulation of breeding plans. A selection limited to few characters can bring to a negative reduction of the genetic resources of the breed.

The deleterious effects of inbreeding are known all over the world and can be shortly summarized as the increasing of the frequency of all the genetic defects and the abnormalities due to recessive genes and as the increasing of the inbreeding depression of quantitative characteristics, in particular of those connected with adaptability (reproduction sphere, illness endurance, longevity…).

For all practical purposes, here are the levels considered dangerous for the coefficient of inbreeding of breeding animals by some famous experts. According to the results of some experiments by different researchers on various animal species, in which inbreeding (relationship by birth in the same family) had been induced with a different intensity and for several generations, it was realized that the deleterious effects began to appear at the value of Fa=0,375 (Van Vleck et Al., 1987). Those experts affirm that lower values than this are not to be considered dangerous.
A value like 37,5% of inbreeding can be reached also in two generations of mating between close brothers. This is why, to prevent the deleterious effects of inbreeding, it would be better to avoid mating between close relatives, in this case, between close brothers and parent – son. According to Robinson (1990), on the contrary, values lower than 0,5 are not be considered dangerous.
In this regard we have to pay attention to what Bell (1993) said about the need to go on to the measure of the coefficient of inbreeding beyond the 5th generation (till the tenth, at least) because of the so called background inbreeding, that is the quota of inbreeding that accumulates in these generations.

The phenotype controls have a key role in the valuation of selection objectives and must cover these areas: morphology, behavioural characteristics and attitude to work.

Morphology and Type

The dobermann standard of the breed deals with the ideal characteristics an element belonging to a certain breed should have (type); it’s up to breeders to produce dogs as much as possible similar to this ideal type. One of the main objectives of clubs in breed selection is the pursuit of the correct type. The aim is not only to keep the breed but also to improve it; there’s nothing wrong in trying to improve the morphological characteristics of a breed but this process requires the necessary precautions.
A trend to exaggerate the morphological characteristics (hypertype) can be negative not only for the single one who is in that condition but for the whole breed if considered in its genetic meaning.
First of all we must avoid the hypertype in those characteristics that can influence the physiology of the animal: the search for exaggerate characteristics, especially in particular breeds, can bring to the limits that secure health and well being and sometimes these limits have also been got over (for instance: breeds that usually make use of artificial insemination or Caesarean operation, breeds with plenty and shaggy coat which seriously reduces movements or limits the sight, breeds with a particular shape of the muzzle that hinders breathing).
Also the limitation of breeding to a few blood-lines in order to get a particular type can be dangerous for the same breed when the fixation of morphological characteristics is obtained by a thoughtless use of inbreeding.

Behavioural characteristics

The selection process in canine breeds has taken to set some peculiar behavioural factors that, together with the typical morphological characteristics, differentiate the domestic dog in the various breeds. As far as the typical characteristics of a breed are concerned, the behavioural characteristics aren’t less important than morphological ones and both them must be considered essential for plans of selection.
The correct and careful analysis of the typical behavioural characteristics can help to contain some unpleasant behavioural deviations such as those nasty accidents we often read on the newspapers.
The objectives of selection that are developed in behaviour field must absolutely be based on a careful study of the behavioural schemes we want to select in order to evaluate the possibility a particular characteristic can be passed on, the differences in the various breeds because of a determined aspect (an accurate assessment of the subject requires a specific understanding of the breed), the relationship between different behavioural characteristics. There are not very extensive researches carried out into this argument and it’s important to underline the close connection between hereditary characters and their referential population.

Attitude to work

In the course of domestication process, humans realized that they could use the dog for working: he could help him on hunting, on guarding a house or a land or he could defend him or control sheep. The selection process for these different works took to differentiate the population of Canis familiaris in various groups.
The attitudes towards a specific work led to mate those subjects who behaved in a particular way; the result was the selection of some subpopulations characterized by a particular way of working, who could get the maximum of some behaviours and could limit the expression of some others.
The differentiation of the population according to the various attitudes to work led to a primary subdivision into “breeds”. This first classification provided the genetic material for the modern selection of canine breeds. We can so assert that modern breeds come from primitive work dogs.
The aim of selecting attitudes to work has been, for a long time, the crucial factor in breeding together with the search for an harmonious whole; nevertheless, this lost its importance when selection developed only morphological characteristics, limiting the possibility that the peculiar attitudes owned by many breeds could be passed on.
The use of dogs in work shows gives us the possibility to value them for their attitudinal characteristics; in order to that, it’s impossible to recognize the best ones without a sports comparison of the working characteristics. The attitudes to work of the different breeds are often in second place since they are less easily perceptible rather than the animal’s conformation that is quickly noticeable even to no experts. In some breeds, this dichotomy brought to select work lines and beauty lines. In dobermann breed the phenotype controls consider both attitudinal and behavioural aspects and morphological ones: this makes selection be more accurate and complete.

Well being

The evaluation of well being is connected to the way of breeding, that’s to say how the dogs are kept and where they live. Some kennel clubs regularly visit recognized breeding in order to check animals’ well being. Besides the concept of housing and management, we have also to consider the frequency of mating.
The specialized association and breeders are responsible for giving directions in breeding and for suggesting the purposes to be achieved by selection. The efficacy of the measures that are taken in favour of the protected breed is as greater as higher is the number of breeders who share the initiatives of the club.
The phenotype controls must be intended as something only concerning the dog in question but as powerful instruments for evaluating the state of the breed on the whole.
Breed protection means study and genetic improvement of a population characterized by particular morphological features and behaviours. The evolution of the genetic research and the experience gained whilst selecting other animals of zootechnical interest leads to select sires according to the genotype and not only to the phenotype. The availability of genetic tests to control some pathologies is very important, even if still limited; as far as other diseases are concerned, the selection must be based on phenotype evaluations both of the considered animal and of his parents.
Selection is the most important way by which specialized association and breeders can influence the genetic order of the breed. Its effect depends on the intensity of selection that has been applied in favour of or in order to remove a particular characteristic and, nevertheless, the genetic nature of the line in question; the index of possibility to inherit some characteristics is very important.
In fact the selection for those characteristics determined by more genes on which it’s possible to obtain an environmental effect (quantitative characteristics) depends not only on the choice of sires but most of all on the possibility to inherit the selected characteristic. If the intensity of selection or the possibility to inherit are low, so the progress will be extremely small.
It’s very important to give directions in breeding since the choice to mate some particular dogs and make them reproduce, excluding the others, subdivides the population into two groups according to the frequency of genes.
The sires should have a better genetic combination in relation to those qualities we want to select than the ones that have been considered not good for reproduction. The level of success in selection will depend directly on the ability to choose the group of sires, that’s to say how much the characteristics of the breed are known and rightly valued to make the best choice (phenotype and genotype controls).

The evaluation of the characteristics of the type, attitude and character, can be considered the performance tests for the canine species. They allow us to evaluate a dog for his morphological characteristics and attitudes. The level of functionality of phenotype controls depends on two factors: the accuracy of the evaluation and the possibility to inherit the considered characteristic.
The evaluation of the characteristics capable of being passed is still limited about dogs, but some studies about other species confirm that traits that involve weight, height and type can be easily transmitted while reproductive characteristics are less inheritable. Behaviour and attitudes can be more or less inheritable according to the characteristic in question.
We talk about progeny test when the choice of sires is based on the results of the offspring rather than of the same sire.
The correct evaluation by progeny test must be done, for instance, by mating the sire we want to evaluate with a group of bitches of various level who have been chosen at random; then we have to examine a high number of his offspring grown in environments as much as possible different. Only in this way we can have a correct evaluation of the considered sire.

Pierluigi Pezzano


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TO BREED ONLY ONE BREED - DOBERMANN !

 

 

Author: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. "Diamante Nero" kennel, Italy (italian version)

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It may seem that above sentence sounds unreal and even as a heresy, doesn't it?
Let's try to think about it and see where it is going to lead us because I'm sure that at the end of it is Kennel Club.
Currently, "policy of Kennel Club" seems to be very popular subject even inside of the club - different parties, groups and opinions, attempts to combine different sights and interests and also attempts to change the "way" (of breeding).

Goal? Simple - Improvement of dobermann breed.

It's sad but I've to admit that even in our community more and more popular is becoming a thesis of "two different attitudes toward dobermann breed" which are totally different and independent from each other. That's also an example which confirms that we have to face evolution in way of breeding which, as we know, should be independent from opinions of leaders and pressure-groups - lobbies.
We can easily say about division arround the breed. I don't remember very well but few years ago I read in some magazine the story about Malinois breeder, I think that name was "des Colombais". Since 1950 he got important results in breeding and in working trials. I'm not going to focus on it, I only consider it as a "starting point" which will allow me to shout loudly: WE HAVE MORAL OBLIGATION TO BREED ONLY ONE BREED !
It's worth to reflect on blood-lines in last 30 years. I need to say that in our breed, especially in relation to working dogs, from genetical point of view there are no big differences which could determine breeding choices while it exists in other breeds. In my opinion, if we will be more attentive, we could see or even take part in Working competition where some good-looking dobermann will prove his remarkable qualities and become a "starting point" for whole breeding.
Yes, I'm exaggerating and I'm aware of it but on the other hand I'm sure that is possible to achieve this goal but to do it, would be necessary to change the policy of the club. Haviing in mind policy of the club I don't mean AIAD, on the contrary, I need to stress that AIAD made the title AIAD Champion which is available for a dog who is taking part in IPO III competition and getting in C part 90 points. Refering to some decissions in other clubs, which are "historical mistakes" and lead into divisions within the breed.

 

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Sig. Sauermann - "v. Ellendonk"


Excepting policy of Kennel Club, putting attention on selection and breeding evolution I would like to try to understand and to analyze some blood-lines which for sure played special role in important changes in the breed.

 

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Bonni v. Nettetal

 

 

Obviously, the blood-line who historicaly is the base of relation between dog built and evolution of character was line von Ellendonk (recognizable since 1960') owned by Mr Sauermann. Final result of this kennel was black male Bingo von Ellendonk (Jago von Beelen x Palma v. Ellendonk), Winner of DV Working Championships in 1977. Bingo having only 2 years passed Korung and was also the first dobermann in the world who got result 100-100-100 in DV SchH III competition. Mr Vogel described him as one of the best workng dogs in the history of dobermann breed. From morfological point of view as a beautifull male, medium sized with excellent body, very important for breeding first of all because of his character. It's also important to mention that Bingo's mother was DV Siegerin. Really, many of his progeny followed fathers steps. Undoubtedly, the most famous is his daughter Cora von Papenkamp (Bingo v. Ellendonk - Afra von Papenkamp), who in 1981-1982-1984 won DV Championships getting 99 points in C part. I should also pay attention on 2 sons of Bingo - black male Bonni von Netteta (Bingo v. Ellendonk - Anouk v. Netteta) - Winner of Championships in 1986-1987 what confirmed father's "genotype". Second male is Nicolai v. Klosterkamp (Bingo v. Ellendonk - Bosha v. Klosterkamp), in 1987 in same Championships got 2nd place, just after his brother and next got Korung 1A. Mating of Nicolai and Bonita van Rensloo in 1982 was very essential especially because of the balance between morfological and character traits. From that combination was born female Int Ch, Welt Sgn, DV Sgn Esmir v. Hermansjomaik - foundation female of dutch kennel van't Wantij.

 

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Today, in spite of so many years, best working dogs are related with Bingo v. Ellendonk in many cases. It happens quite often that to rate correctly morfological traits and abilities of each dog, there's a lack of the most important parameteres which are refering to morfological traits. Sometimes it seems that inbreeding for sure would bring in breed evoluton regressive results.


However, we can't never forget that Bingo was a son of Int. Ch, BD Sg, Euro Sg, Korung Jago von Beeden (Chico v. Forell - Dasha v. Forell), who as we all know was one of best producer at his time.

 

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Jago v. Beelen

 

It's enough just to mention that Jago is also a father of black male WELT Sg, IDC Sg, BD Sg, DV Sg, Euro Ch. Korung - Bronzo v. Zenn (Jago von Beelen x Elke v. Pfalzer Waldheim), male who created v. Norden Stamm blood-line where so many dogs were born who sucessfully passed Korung and their morfoloy was on excellent level.

 

 

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Bronco v. Zenn

 



At the begining of 1990's, from mating of Wasko v. Binselberg and Undine v. Frankenland (very important pedigree, affinity to line of Jago v. Beelen) was born in dutch kennel a black male - WELT Sg, IDC Sg, BD Sg, DV Sg, Euro Ch, Korung - Hertog Conan v. Manensehide. Male of beautifull body, excellent proportions... no matter that head was not perfect


Currently, the most titled winner in the history of dobermanns and he was widely used as a producer almost all over the world giving to his progeny best traits. However from morfological point his progeny never got international pubicity.
In spite of all, I'm sure that best genetical traits acquired in different blood-lines, earlier or later will contribute into dream affinity. I think that if we breed one breed, we have to do everything to breed only this one breed.

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Hertog Conan v. Manensheide

 

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ALLEVARE UNA SOLA… RAZZA DOBERMANN !

 

 

Author: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. "Diamante Nero" kennel, Italy (english version)

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Detta così, potrebbe sembrare anche una fantastica e scontata eresia…..non vi pare?
Proviamo a ragionarci sù… e guardiamo dove arriviamo o possiamo arrivare, poichĂŠ sono convinto essere questa l’unica strada da percorrere in Cinofilia, o che per lo meno andrebbe percorsa, ma…. haimè, la realtà delle cose come sappiamo è ben diversa.
Ormai la “politicoCinofilia” è l’argomento che spesso predomina sulla cinofilia stessa…creando veri e propi partiti… opinion-leader… tesi…interessi economici di vario genere…cercando di deviare il percorso dalla vera strada maestra che si dovrebbe percorrere…cioè quella di allevare …per migliorare la razza Dobermann.
E’ triste doverlo ammettere, ma ormai anche nel nostro ambiente, sempre più si stà diffondendo una sorta di “due culture della razza” …ben distinte e seperate e di uno…scontato e per qualcuno…legittimo convicimento nel dover prendere atto che ormai la politica dell’allevamento, cioè in pratica…dell’evoluzione zootecnica della razza, debba essere gestita in modo “indipendente” dai vari opinion leader facenti capo ai partiti del cosidetto mondo del “lavoro” e dei cosidetti “bellezzari”….ma chi l’ha detto…. e soprattutto in quale testo “sacro” stà scritto ????
Signori…questa è una logica che può portare solo ad una divisione di una razza.
Non mi ricordo bene…ma qualche anno fà ho letto su una rivista specializzata, la storia di un importante allevatore di Malinos…mi sembra di ricordare che il nome fosse “des Colombais”, e si trattava di un Allevatore belga, che ha ottenuto importanti risultati sia nel lavoro che nel’allevamento fino dal 1950, ma non è di questo che dobbiamo occuparci, è solo lo spunto dal quale vorrei partire per poter gridare a squarciagola….che abbiamo l’obbligo morale di provare ad allevare una …SOLA RAZZA….potrete voi stessi rendervi conto attraverso un attenta e analitica visione delle linee di sangue di quest’ultimo trentennio, che questo obbiettivo è certamente possibile, voglio dire che nei Dobermann cosiddetti da lavoro non ci sono geneticamente parlando distanze tali da giustificare un ulteriore selezione della razza , come purtroppo è avvenuto di fatto in altre razze, quindi io credo che se sotto questo aspetto ci sarà più attenzione, forse riusciremo nell’intento ... di andare a vedere ... o meglio ancora ... di partecipare, ad un Campionato di Addestramento dove un ... bel Dobermann che dimostrerà la sua attitudine, sarà un importante punto di riferimento ... per l’Allevamento.

 

Lo sò che la stò dicendo grossa…me ne rendo perfettamente conto, ma sono certo che si può raggiungere questo obbiettivo, anche se credo, che per fare ciò, ci sia bisogno …purtroppo…anche della politica del Club di razza, dico purtroppo non perchĂŠ mi riferisca all AIAD, anzi tuttaltro…(voglio infatti evidenziare il fatto che proprio l’AIAD ha istitutito un trofeo da assegnare al cane che avendo ottenuto il titolo di AIAD.CH. al Campionato di Allevamento partecipi anche al Campionato di Addestramento in IPO III dove qualificandosi e ottenendo nella sezione C il punteggio di 90 conquisterebbe il trofeo, che personalmente voglio ritenere essere, qualora un cane raggiungesse questo traguardo, certamente il più importante dei trofei)…ma perchĂŠ mi riferisco ad alcune gestioni “storicamente sbagliate”, fatte in altri Club…che hanno portato allo scempio della divisione della loro razza…ma occupiamoci solo di casa nostra.

 

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Sig. Sauermann - "v. Ellendonk"


Tralasciando, l’aspetto …cinopolitico della questione, e traversando invece alcune logiche della selezione e dell’evoluzione allevatoriale della razza, vorrei cercare di capire ed analizzare alcune linee di sangue che certamente hanno apportato importanti contributi genetici attitudinali nella razza Dobermann.

 

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Bonni v. Nettetal

 

 

Certamente una linea di sangue che storicamante stà alla base di una solida “tradunion” tra morfologia e carattere nell’evoluzione della razza, è stata la linea von Ellendonk, allevamento noto fin dagl’anni 60 del sig. Sauermann, e nella quale possiamo identificare come risultato finale il maschio nero Bingo von Ellendonk (Jago von Beelen x Palma von Ellendonk), vincitore nel 1977, a soli due anni di età, del Campionato di Lavoro della D.V., Bingo ottenne poi la Korung a vita e fu anche il primo Dobermann al mondo ad ottenere in una gara di lavoro della D.V. in SchH III il risultato di 100-100-100. Definito dal sig. Vogel come in assoluto uno dei migliori cani da lavoro nella storia del Dobermann, lo descriveva sotto l’aspetto morfologico un bel cane in media taglia da Molto Buono, ma comunque maschio che con i dovuti accorgimenti, sarebbe stato utile in Allevamento, soprattutto per le sue grandi qualità genetiche riferite al suo carattere, (da ricordare che la madre di Bingo fu a sua volta Campionessa di Lavoro D.V.) infatti molti dei suoi figli ricalcarono le linee paterne nelle più importanti gare di lavoro in quel periodo, dove forse la più conosciuta è senza dubbio la femmina Cora von Papenkamp (Bingo von Ellendonk x Afra von Papenkamp) che nel 1981-1982-1984 vinse il Campionato di lavoro D.V., riportando nella sezione C sempre come ponteggio 99. Menzionerei ancora due importanti figli di Bingo, che furono il maschio nero Bonni von Nettetal (Bingo von Ellendonk x Anouk von Nettetal), vincitore del Campionato di Lavoro nel 1986-1987, riconfermando la “genotipicità caratteriale” del padre, e Nicolai von Klosterkamp (Bingo von Ellendonk x Boscha von Klosterkamp) il quale al di là del fatto di arrivare 2° nel 1987 dietro a Bonni nel Campionato di Lavoro D.V. ottenendo poi, anche la Korung a vita 1A, perchĂŠ fu secondo il mio punto di vista di un “tramite” molto rilevante per mantenere, nell’accoppiamento che fu fatto nel 1982 fra Nicolai con Bonita van Rensloo, un importante equilibrio fra morfologie e carattere, ricordando che da questo accoppiamento nacque la femmina nera INT.CH.WELTSgn.DVSgn. Esmir van Hermansjomaik, divenendo a sua volta la capostipite dell’Allevamento Olandese van’t Wantij .

 

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Ancora oggi a distanza di tanti anni, molti dei migliori cani da lavoro della razza sono ancorati geneticamente a Bingo….in qualche caso…. forse un po’ troppo, dico questo perchĂŠ nel dare una valutazione per un corretto giudizio morfologico-attitudinale di molti di questi soggetti, vengono poi a mancare i parametri essenziali…riferiti al lato morfologico….che esasperati talvolta da strette consanguinetà darebbero nell’evoluzione della razza certamente risultati regressivi.


Detto questo però, non dobbiamo dimenticarci mai…che Bingo è figlio di un certo INT.CH.BDSg.DVSg.EUROSg.Korung Jago von Beelen (Chico v. Forell x Dascha von Forell) che, come tutti sappiamo è stato certamente fra i migliori riproduttori del suo tempo, basta per esempio ricordare che Jago è anche il padre del maschio nero

 

 

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Jago v. Beelen

 

WELTSg.IDCSg.BDSg.DVSg.EUROCH. Korung a vita Bronco von Zenn (Jago von Beelen x Elke vom Pfàlzer Waldheim) soggetto che ritroveremo anche nel tracciato genetico della linea v. Norden Stamm, dove molti soggetti nati in questo allevamento hanno poi superato la Korung, soggetti che voglio ricordare, erano anche supportati da un eccellente morfologia.
All'inizio degli anni 90 , dall’accoppiamento di Wasko v. Binselberg x Udine v. Frankeland… (pedegree impostato, in primis sul richiamo di sangue di Jago v. Beelen… e passandomi l’espressione… in ottima compagnia con soggetti come… Bronco v. Zenn…Bingo v Ellendonk…

 

 

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Bronco v. Zenn

 


… soggetti dei quali abbiamo già parlato, a proposito della loro attitudine …) nasceva, in un allevamento Olandese il maschio nero WELTSg.IDCSg.BDSg.DVSg.EUROCH. Korung Hertog Conan v. Manensheide, maschio di ottima sostanza e di buone proporzioni… anche se la testa peccava… nel parallelismo.


A tutt’oggi questo soggetto è in assoluto il Campione più premiato della storia del Dobermann ed è stato usato veramente con molte fattrici, un po’ in tutto il mondo, apportando certamente soprattutto sotto l’aspetto attitudinale migliorativi genetici… mofologicamente però… in prima battuta, come si suol dire.. non ha avuto figli che abbiano avuto risultati di risonanza Internazionale,…fatta qualche eccezione… ma sono comunque convinto che i migliorativi genetici attitudinali acquisiti da diverse linee di sangue, prima o poi torneranno utili, per contribuire al conseguimento sperato… penso da tutti quando si alleva una razza, cioĂŠ quello di cercare di allevare sempre una …sola razza.

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Hertog Conan v. Manensheide

 

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FURSTENFELD I FORE LL …. Dwie różne szkoły hodowli Dobermanna ?

 

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Bez wątpienia tak…

 

Pan Herman Palmer właściciel hodowli v Furstenfeld i Pan Ernest Wilking, właściciel hodowli v Forell wprowadzili nowatorskie koncepcje dotyczące rasy Doberman, choć "genotypowo" rzecz biorąc, obie hodowle pochodziły z tej samej „puli genów".
Jeśli skoncentrujemy się na linii czarnego samca BDSg Alexa v. Kleinwaldheim (Ajax v Simbach x Carola v Sudharz) urodzonego w 1946 roku, możemy określić go jako "punkt wspólny" dla pozostałych psów. Stał się on źródłem przeróżnych analiz prowadzonych przez hodowców i miłośników rasy.

 

 

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Mr. Ernest Wilking


 


Chciałbym również podkreślić pierwszorzędne znaczenie nie tylko zespołu genów tego psa, ale także zwrócić uwagę na szczególne cechy charakteru tego psa. Nie można zapomnieć, iż w latach 40 był jednym z pierwszych, który zdołał zdac ówczesne testy i konkursy. Pozwolę sobie ustalić i zweryfikować chronologicznie rozwój rasy.

W 1953 roku, w wyniku ścisłego pokrewieństwa z Alexem v. Kleinwaldheim rodzi się w hodowli v. Hagenstolz należącej do Pana Maurera czarny samiec WELTSg.SchH I Lump von Hagenstolz. Jego ojcem był Alf von Hagenfreund (Alex v. Kleinwaldheim x Amsel v Hagenstolz), a matką Dina von Klockenhof, która była także córką Alexa v. Kleinwaldheim i Addi v. Hagenstolz, a ta z kolei siostrą Amsel v. Enstol.

 

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Jest oczywistym, iż podstawą “gwarancji genetycznej" Lumpa von Hagenstolz był wysoki wskaźnik pokrewieństwa (praktycznie rzecz biorąc krycie zachodziło pomiędzy siostrą i bratem). Przed tym jak poznamy najważniejszych potomków Lumpa von Hagenstolz pochodzących z hodowli pana Palmera, chciałbym dodać, iż wielokrotnie bywałem w domu właściciela i za każdym razem rozmawiając z nim osobiście opowiadał mi o niezwykłych cechach Lumpa, psa który już jako szczeniak uczęszczał na wystawy i z biegiem czasu stał się bardzo popularny. W roku 1956 doszło do krycia pomiędzy nim a czarną suczką Inka v.d. Nordburg (Nord Germania x Edda v.d. Nordburg ). Dzięki temu urodził się czarny samiec Bordo von Furstenfeld.

Wracając do chronologicznego układu wydarzeń, w 1958 pan Palmer pokrył czarną suczkę INT.CH.BDSgn.SchH I Carmen v. Felsingpass (Igon v. Naunhof x Hede v Felsingpass) z Lumpem von Hagenstolz. Owocem tego krycia były dwa bardzo znaczące (genetycznie) psy dla dalszego rozwoju hodowli. Mam tu na myśli czarnego samca BDSg.IDCSg. Citto von Furstenfeld i o czarną sukę INT.CH.BDSgn. Citta von Furstenfeld.
 

 

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Na temat Bordo von Furstenfeld pan Vogel potwierdził, że pies ten został obdarzony niezwykłym charakterem oraz wojowniczością przekraczającą średnią, tymi cechami obdarzył swoje potomstwo.

Jestem przekonany, że krycie Bordo von Furstenfeld x Citta von Furstenfeld, które Palmer powtórzył 5 razy (mioty K L M U V) można określić jako kluczowe w tamtych czasach dla rozwoju rasy Dobermann. Było to bardzo innowacyjne, ponieważ oba osobniki były bezpośrednio spokrewnione z Lumpem von Hagenstolz. Kilka szczeniaków z tego krycia zostało sprzedanych za granicę, tym sposobem zaginał o nich ślad, kilka nie zostało docenionych. W każdym razie odwołamy się do znaczących osobników pochodzących z wyżej wymienionych miotów, spośród których wspomniałbym o czarnym samcu urodzonym w 1962 SCH.I. Kandy von Furstenfeld, który to został powierzony panu Leo Schellmannowi, właścicielowi hodowli v. Frankenland.
 

 

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Z miotu na literę M należy wymienić brązowego samca urodzonego w 1963 INT.CH.BDSg.SchH III Mecki von Furstenfeld, czarnego samca INT.CH. Miko von Furstenfeld i czarną sukę INT.CH.BDSgn.SchH III Mascha von Furstenfeld, która została powierzona Hansowi Wiblishauserowi, właścicielowi hodowli v. Bavaria i aktualnemu prezesowi Dobermann Verein i IDC.

 

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W ostatnim miocie na literę V z 1966 uważanym przeze mnie za bardzo ważny, pojawiła się czarna suczka BDSgn.SchH I Vijlia von Furstenfeld i samiec DV.CH. di lavoro, SchH III Verry von Furstenfeld, jednakże nie pozostawiają oni po sobie genetycznie rzecz biorąc ważnych śladów w rasie. Pisząc o ważnym potomstwie, mam na myśli czarnego samca SchH III Korung Vello von Furstenfeld powierzonego Ottmarowi Vogelowi, właścicielowi hodowli v Wilden Markgraf, który był także odpowiedzialny za szkolenie przez prawie 10 lat w Dobermana Verein.
 

 

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Według mnie dzięki tak innowacyjnemu doborowi par hodowlanych i pomysłowości właściciela odnośnie modelu kryć Vello reprezentuje nowy typ współczesnych dobermanów. Tak jak już wcześniej wykazałem, niektóre krycia dotyczyły ścisłego pokrewieństwa dokładnie zaplanowanego przez Pana Palmera. Zgadzam się przy tym z Panem Voglem, który twierdził, że taki sposób selekcji, początkowo krytykowany, w konsekwencji stał się bardzo ważnym czynnikiem, który ostatecznie doprowadził w następnych latach linię v. Furstenfeld do stworzenia niezwykłej rasy. W procesie jej tworzenia zasadniczą rolę odegrała długotrwała selekcja oraz "dryf genetyczny". Dzięki temu narodziła się legenda „typu Furstenfeld”, który opierała się między innymi na następujących cechach morfologicznych: charakterystyczna głowa z bardzo ciemnymi oczami, podpalana kufa, unikalna szyja. Są to aspekty, które wyznaczają także różne interpretacje odnośnie hodowli pana Wilkinga i Palmera. Koncepcje tych dwóch hodowców wpłynęły bezpośrednio na innych.

Krycie Vello v Furstenfeld x Kira v. Romberg (Bingo v. Dornberg x Ilka v. Romberg ) z 1968, które zostało zaplanowane przez Pana Wilkinga, należy stwierdzić, iż w ten sposób stworzono najważniejszą linię genetyczną w ostatnim 30 – leciu. Maą±c na uwadzę czarnego samca INT.CH. Bryan von Forell, brązowego INT.CH.BDSg.DVSg. Bonni von Forell i po przeanalizowaniu ich rodowodów można powiedzieć, iż owe osobniki doprowadziły do swoistej ewolucji w rasie dobermann.
 

 

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Bryan v. Forell

 

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W tym miejscu chciałbym skupić się na Vello von Furstenfeld i tym samym zaakcentować pomysłowość Pana Wilkinga dotyczącą jego hodowli. Wykorzystał on w kryciu pokrewieństwo bazując na Aleksie v. Kleinwaldheim. Zdołał stworzyć osobniki, które były bardzo znaczące dla rozwoju rasy. W 1964 Pan Wilking kryje czarną suczkę Iris von Forell z czarnym samcem urodzonym w 1958 BDSg.SchH I Falko von Hagenstolz (Lump v Hagenstolz x Kitty v Hagenstolz). Z tego krycia rodzi się czarny samiec INT.CH.SchH II Odin von Forell, samiec mocnej budowy, o niezwykłej sylwetce – te walory możemy zdefiniować jako typowe dla Forella, należy przy tym dodać, że umacniały się one wraz z upływem czasu.

 

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W 1968 także pan Wilking skonkretyzował swoją pracę i swoje poglądy dotyczące hodowli, kryjąc Odin von Forell z brązową suczkę BDSgn. Cita Germania (Casar v. Weideneck x Reni Germania). W wyniku tego kryciu narodził się czarny samiec INT.CH.BDSg.DVSg. Chico von Forell. Pan Vogel potwierdził, iż ów pies odziedziczył walory po ojcu – niezwykłą sylwetkę i mocny kościec. Pan Vogel osobiście zajmował się szkoleniem tego psa.
 

 

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Odin v. Forell

 

 


 

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Chico v. Forell

 


Podsumowując, myślę, iż Vello von Furstenfeld (1966) i Chico von Forell (1968), reprezentują krańcowy cel pracy wspomnianych dwóch hodowców…. Tym sposobem można rzec, że mamy do czynienia ze swoistym „wyrównaniem genetycznym", które wpłynęło znamiennie na rasę. W pewnym sensie jest to „ugoda genetyczna” dotycząca rozwoju rasy dobermann.

 

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FURSTENFELD E FORELL… DUE CORRENTI DI PENSIERO... NELLA RAZZA DOBERMANN ?

 

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Certamente si…..

il sig. Herman Palmer titolare dell’Allevamento v Furstenfeld e il sig.Ernest Wilking titolare dell’Allevamento v Forell, avevano e tracciarono idee diverse nella razza Dobermann, anche se geneticamente parlando, nascono da uno stesso “ceppo genetico,” facendo riferimento alla linea di sangue del maschio nero BDSg. Alex v. Kleinwaldheim ( Ajax v Simbach x Carola v
Sudharz ) nato nel 1946 e che possiamo configurare come un comune punto di partenza genetica, della loro più importante ricerca cinofila.

 

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Mr. Ernest Wilking



Vorrei anche rimarcare l’importanza primaria, che in questo contesto assume oltre che l’indubbio spessore genotipico di questo soggetto, anche e soprattutto
riguardo alla sua ottima attitudine , ricordandoci infatti di essere stato negli anni 40, uno dei primi soggetti a superare la Selezione di quel tempo.
Andiamo ora a constatare e verificare cronologicamente ..il perchĂŠ di queste mie affermazioni.

Nel 1953, da una strettissima consanguinetà su Alex v. Kleinwaldheim nasceva presso l’allevamento v Hagenstolz del sig Maurer il maschio nero WELTSg.SchH I Lump von Hagenstolz, dettagliatamente, in linea paterna da Alf von Hagenfreund (Alex v. Kleinwaldheim x Amsel v Hagenstolz) e in linea materna da Dina von Klockenhof anch’essa figlia di Alex v. Kleinwaldheim x Addi v. Hagenstolz, che era sorella di Amsel v Hagenstolz.

 

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E’ evidente come risalti da questo accoppiamento, l’alto tasso di consanguinetà…. praticamente un fratello- sorella….consanguinetà sulla quale è stato concepito, Lump von Hagenstolz, che possiamo a ragione ritenere essere stata….una base di “solida garanzia genetica”. Prima di conoscere la più importante progenia fatta da. Lump von Hagenstolz, nell’Allevamento di Palmer, vorrei premettere che parlando personalmente con lui di questo cane…diverse sono state le occasioni nelle quali ho potuto frequentare la sua casa…mi ha sempre confermato le grandi qualità di Lump, soggetto che seguiva fin dalle prime sue apparizioni giovanili nell’esposizioni dell’epoca, e che lo colpirono, in modo direi assoluto tanto da indurlo nel 1956, ad accoppiarci la femmina nera Inka v.d. Nordburg (Nord Germania x Edda v.d. Nordburg ) accoppiamento che darà vita al maschio nero Bordo von Furstenfeld..

Tornando subito al cronologico, nel 1958, il sig. Palmer accoppierà la femmina nera INT.CH.BDSgn.SchH I Carmen v. Felsingpass (Igon v. Naunhof x Hede v Felsingpass) con Lump von Hagenstolz, accoppiamento che darà vita a due soggetti molto importanti geneticamente parlando per l’evoluzione di quest’Allevamento e della razza, facendo riferimento al maschio nero BDSg.IDCSg. Citto von Furstenfeld, e alla femmina nera INT.CH.BDSgn. Citta von Furstenfeld.

 

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Parlando di Bordo von Furstenfeld, il sig Vogel affermava,che questo soggetto era dotato di ottimo carattere,con combattività superiore alla media che ritrasmetteva nei suoi figli.

Sono convinto che l’accoppiata Bordo von Furstenfeld x Citta von Furstenfeld, che Palmer ripeterà per ben cinque volte ( lettere K L M U V) sia da considerarsi fra le più importanti di quel periodo, per l’evoluzione della razza Dobermann, accoppiamento basato sul richiamo in linea paterna e materna su Lump von Hagenstolz. Diversi cuccioli di queste accoppiate furono venduti all’estero e se ne persero le tracce, diversi non furono valorizzati, comunque andiamo a ricordare alcuni soggetti di punta, di queste importanti cucciolate, fra i quali menzionerei il maschio nero nato nel 1962 SCH.I. Kandy von Furstenfeld, ceduto al sig. Leo Schellmann titolare dell’Allevamento v. Frankenland..

 

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Della cucciolata con la M sono noti, il maschio marrone nato ne 1963 INT.CH.BDSg.SchH III Mecki von Furstenfeld, il maschio nero INT.CH. Miko von Furstenfeld e la femmina nera INT.CH.BDSgn.SchH III Mascha von Furstenfeld ceduta al sig.
Hans Wiblishauser, titolare dell’Allevamento v. Bavaria, e attuale Presidente della Dobermann Verein, e dell’IDC.

 

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IL’ultima di queste cucciolate, fu quella della lettera V del 1966, da ritenersi per quanto mi riguarda,
certamente la più importante, e al di là della femmina nera BDSgn.SchH I Vijlia von Furstenfeld, e del maschio DV.CH. di
lavoro, SchH III Verry von Furstenfeld, che geneticamente però non lasciarono tracce rilevanti nella razza, il mio “importante” era riferito al maschio nero SchH III Korung Vello von Furstenfeld, ceduto al sig Ottmar Vogel, titolare dell’Allevamento v Wilden Markgraf, e responsabile per l’addestramento per quasi dieci anni della Dobermann Verein.

 

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Vello rappresenterà secondo il mio punto di vista, il vero tramite del dobermann “moderno” con la sua riproduzione
attraverso molti accoppiamenti, alcuni dei quali fatti in stretta consanguinetà dal sig. Palmer, sui quali concordo con il sig.
Vogel….quando afferma che questo tipo di selezione esasperato della razza… essere stata
la causa che ha portato poi negl’anni che seguirono, la linea di sangue v Furstenfeld ad approdare ad una sorta di deriva genetica, soprattutto per quel che riguarda l’attitudine di quei cani, anche se forse…in contraddittorio… proprio da questo tipo di accoppiamento, è nato un po’ la mitologia del “Tipo Furstenfeld”, ancorato a marcate caratteristiche morfologiche, come …l’espressione della testa con occhi scurissimi, focature … irripetibili, con incollature difficilmente riscontrabili a tutt’oggi, aspetti che determinarono anche la diversa interpretazione della razza far Wilking e Palmer, e non solo….volendo far riferimento anche ad alcuni allevatori che impostarono geneticamente poi negl’anni a venire, proprio sulle scelte di questi due allevatori, il loro indirizzo allevatoriale.

Comunque storicamente parlando, fu proprio da un accoppiamento fatto nel 1968 dal sig. Wilking , riferendomi a quello di Vello v Furstenfeld x Kira v. Romberg (Bingo v. Dornberg x Ilka v. Romberg), che si concretizzerà la più importante linea genetica che condizzionerà quest’ultimo trentennio della razza Dobermann, riferendomi al maschio nero INT.CH. Bryan von Forell e al maschio marrone INT.CH.BDSg.DVSg. Bonni von Forell, soggetti che vedremo, analizzando i pedegree dei più importanti Dobermann contemporanei, determineranno davvero l’evoluzione della razza.

 

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Bryan v. Forell

 

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Vorrei fermarmi qui a proposito di Vello von Furstenfeld, per andare sempre in quel periodo, a vedere e capire la concettualità , con la quale il sig. Wilking, nel suo Allevamento, traversando una media consanguinetà su Alex v. Kleinwaldheim, riuscì a produrre dei soggetti, che di fatto sarebbero andati a determinare poi il futuro della razza. E’ nel 1964 che il sig. Wilking, accoppierà la femmina nera, Iris v. Forell, femmina impostata geneticamente anch’essa su Alex v. Kleinwaldheim con il maschio nero nato nel 1958 BDSg.SchH I Falko von Hagenstolz ( Lump v Hagenstolz x Kitty v Hagenstolz) da questo accoppiamento nascerà il
maschio nero INT.CH.SchH II Odin von Forell, soggetto dotato di un ottimo tronco e buona ossatura, pregi che possiamo definire come “tipici” del FORELL, e che si consolideranno nel tempo.

 

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Fu nel 1968, che anche il sig. WILKING, concretizzerà questo lavoro in media consanguinetà, accoppiando Odin von Forell con la femmina marrone BDSgn. Cita Germania (Casar v. Weideneck x Reni Germania), accoppiamento
che produrrà il maschio nero in INT.CH.BDSg.DVSg. Chico von Forell,soggetto del quale il sig. Vogel affermava aver avuto i pregi del tronco del padre, con forte ossatura, ed essere stato sotto il profilo attitudinale, avendolo provato personalmente in addestramento, soggetto nella media, sufficientemente saldo di nervi.

 

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Odin v. Forell

 


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Chico v. Forell


Io penso concludendo, che rispettivamente, Vello von Furstenfeld (1966) e Chico von Forell (1968), rappresentino il vero risultato finale del lavoro allevatoriale di questi due allevatori, che osservato sotto un profilo di….compensazione genetica….determineranno una sorta di ….giusto compromesso genetico della razza Dobermann.

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FURSTENFELD and FORELL... Two different schools of the dobermann breed?

 

Author: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. "Diamante Nero" kennel, Italy (click here to view version of article in italian language)

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Undoubtedly yes...

Mr. Herman Palmer, owner of v. Furstenfeld kennel and Mr. Ernest Wilking, owner of v. Forell kennel introduced various conceptions about the dobermanns breed, however, from genetical point of view, both kennels came from mutual "genetical match". If he will refer to blood-line of black male BD Sg. Alex v. Kleinwaldheim (Ajax v. Simbach x Carola v. Sudharz), born in 1946, we can define him as a common "genetical object". He became an inspiration for further analyses made by breeders and dobermann enthusiasts.

 

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Mr. Ernest Wilking



I'd like to emphasize high importance of that male not only because of his genetical power but also to concentrate on his character. He was one of first dogs in 1940's who was able to pass those-times tests and competitions.
Let's verify chronologically development of the breed.

In 1953, in a result of close-related mating with Alex v. Kleinwaldheim, in kennel "v. Hagenstolz" owned by Mr. Maurer was born black male Welt Sg, SchH 1 Lump v. Hagenstolz. His father was Alf v. Hagenfruend (Alex v. Kleinwaldheim x Amsel v. Hagenstolz) and mother Dina v. Klockenhof who was also a daughter of Alex v. Klenwaldheim and Addi v. Hagenstolz (sister of Amsel v. Enstol).

 

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It's clear that the base of "genetical guarantee" of Lump v. Hagenstolz was high coefficient of inbreeding (practically it was between brother-sister). Before I will present the most important offspring of Lump v. Hagenstolz which came from kennel of Mr. Palmer, I would like to stress that I was often guest at Mr. Palmer house and we talked about this special dog - Lump v. Hagenstolz who from his very young age participated at shows and reached big popularity.
In 1956 there was a mating between Lump v. Hagenstolz and black female Inka v.d. Nordburg (Nord Germania x Edda v.d. Nordburg), There was born black male from this combination named Bordo v. Furstenfeld.

In 1958 Mr. Palmer mated black female Int.Ch, BD Sgn, SchH 1 Carmen v. Felsingpass (Igon v. Naunhof x Hede v. Felsingpass) with Lump v. Hagenstolz. In result of this combination he got two very important dogs for the further development of his kennel. Of course I have in mind black male BD Sg, IDC Sg Citto v. Furstenfeld and black female Int Ch, BD Sgn Citta v. Furstenfeld.

 

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If it comes to Bordo v. Furstenfeld, Mr. Vogel confirmed that this male was endowed with special character and combativness which was more than average. Those features he gave also to his progeny.

I'm convinced that mating between Bordo v. Furstenfeld and Citta v. Furstenfeld which was repeated by Mr. Palmer 5 times (litters K, L, M, U, V) we can define as a crucial one in those days for development of the dobermann breed.
It was very innovative because both parents were directly related with Lump v. Hagenstolz.
Several puppies from that mating were sold abroad, in that case we don't have information about them, some were not appreciated.

Anyway, I'd like to mention about some important progeny coming from above litters - black male born in 1962, SchH 1 Kandy v. Furstenfeld who went to Mr. Leo Schellmann, owner of v. Frankenland kennel.

 

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From "M" litter I have to devote my attention to brown male born in 1963 - Int.Ch, BD Sg, SchH 3 - Mecki v. Furstenfeld, to black male Int. Ch Miko v. Furstenfeld and to black female Int. Ch. BD Sgn, SchH 3 Masha v. Furstenfeld who went to Mr. Hans Wiblishauser, owner of kennel v. Bavaria and present President of DV and IDC.

 

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In last "V" litter from 1966, which in my personal opinion was very important, appeared black female - BD Sgn, SChH 1 Vijlia v.
Furstenfeld and male DV.Ch di lavoro, SChH 3 Verry v. Furstenfeld, however, he haven't left some important progeny. Talking about importance of that litter I had in mind black male SChH 3, Korung - Vello v. Furstenfeld who went to Ottmar Vogel, owner of kennel v. Wilden Markgraf, who was also responsible for training dobermanns in Dobermann Verein for nearly 10 years.

 

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To my mind, because of innovativeness in breeding and inventiveness regarding matings, Vello represents new type of modern
dobermanns. How I said before, some matings were closely-related, carefully planned by Mr. Palmer.
I agree with Mr. Vogel who said that this way of selection, in the begining widely criticized, eventually turned blood-line of v. Furstenfeld kennel to create this unusual breed (type). In process of building this line, important role had long-term selection and "genetical -drift". That is how the legend of v. Furstenfeld was born, based on following morfological traits - typical head with very dark eyes, well marked muzzle, special, unique neck - special aspects which determine also other interpretations of Mr. Wilking's and Palmer's kennels. Conceptions of these two breeders had direct influence also for others.

Mating planned by Mr. Wilking in 1968 between Vello v. Furstenfeld and Kira v. Romberg (Bingo v. Dornberg x Ilka v. Romberg) created the most important blood-line in last 30 years (dobermann breed). Regarding black male Int.Ch Bryan v. Forell and brown male Int. Ch. BD Sg, DV Sg Bonni v. Forell and after analyse of the pedigree, we can come into conclusion that both dogs lead to "evolution" in the breed.

 

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Bryan v. Forell

 

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Using the example of Vello v. Furstenfeld, I'd like to express the inventiveness of Mr. Wilking. Making inbreeding based on Alex v.
Kleinwaldheim was able to breed dogs who became so influenced for the future breed development.
In 1964 Mr. Wilking mated black female Iris v. Forell with black male born in 1958 BD Sg, SchH 1 Falko v. Hagenstolz (Lump v.
Hagenstolz x Kitty v. Hagenstolz), female was related to Alex v. Kleinwalfheim. From this combination was born black male Int.Ch,
SchH 3 Odin v. Forell with very strong built, unusual silhouette, so typical for v. Forell dobermanns and became stronger and stronger withing this special type.

 

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In 1968 also Mr. Wilking made an conclusion of his work and views by doing a mating of Odin v. Forell with brown female BD Sgn Cita Germania (Casar v. Weideneck x Reni Germania), in result black male was born - Int.Ch.BD Sg.DV Sg Chico v. Forell.
Mr. Vogel confirmed that this dog inherited speficic qualities from his father. Mr. Vogel was also personally training this dog.

 

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Odin v. Forell

 


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Chico v. Forell


Summing up, I think that Vello v. Furstenfeld (1966) and Chico v. Forell (1968) represent that real aim of two breeders work.
In that way we can say that there is a "genetical balance" who had its influence on the breed, it it "genetical agreement".

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Interview with Natalia Fokht, russian breeder and judge, owner of "Teraline" kennel.

 

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Natalia Fokht with little Teraline Montera, Teraline Aurora and Teraline Indigo

 

 

Michael Jakubowsky: Che cosa ha portato quest’anno per te ?

 

Natalia Fokht: Quest’anno era buono. I cani del mio allevamento hanno ottenuto i titoli importanti. Teraline Lord of the Ring (Teraline Aurora-Fedor del Nasi) è diventato campione di Doberman Club di Russia, ha passato la prova di ZTP ( V1A, il giudice: H. Wiblishauser). Teraline Indigo (Teraline Aurora-Atreyo de Grande Vinko) ha ottenuto il titolo del Campionato Internazionale. I cani della mia cucciolata “M ”(Teraline Aurora-Pako Daker) sono entrati in “alta società”.  Teraline Montera è diventata vincitrice di Dobermann Club in Russia, Giovane Campionessa di San Pietroburgo, la Miglior Giovane di Nazionale Campionato di Ukraina e vice giovane vincitrice di IDC. Teraline Midgard è diventato Miglior Giovane di Campionato Sociale e di Campionato di Mosca, il vice-Sieger di IDC in classe giovane e di Campionato del Mondo di FCI, il campione di Russia, Ukraina, Lettonia. Teraline Murano, che abita in Estremo Oriente, sulla frontiera con la Cina, ha fatto furore in questa regione come un giovane maschio. .
Loro hanno adesso 17 mesi e sono sicuro che ancora ci sorprenderanno con i loro successi in futuro.

 

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Teraline Midgard

 

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Teraline Montera

 

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Teraline Lord of the Ring

 

I risultati impressionanti, in particolare per riguardo a fattore che non è un allevamento largo. La domanda seguente: come è possibile che di una cucciolata, in massimo due all’ anno, si può fare i cani con tutti i titoli sopraddetti ?

 

Hai notato bene che il mio allevamento è composto da una o due cucciolate all’anno, forse per questo motivo io sono più cauta ed attenta, così posso pensare a nuove combinazioni, ogni decisone sbagliata può essere molto dannosa – si può nemmeno perdere una generazione e l’anno del mio lavoro. E nella vita può capitare che si perde ulteriori prospettive. La mia famosa IDC Sieger - Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai (Indira vd. Rauberhohle - Ugor di Villa Conte) - la fondatrice del mio allevamento, è stata in grado di avere una sola cucciolata nella sua vita – cucciolata “A” (da Gino Gomez del Citone), da cui sono nati i cani come multi campionessa, vice-vincitrice europea, vincitrice del Campionato Sociale di Russia, vincitrice del AIAD - Teraline Aurora e multi vincitore - Teraline Admiral. Teraline Aurora è diventata non solo un gran spettacolo e cane da lavoro, ma anche – eccezionale riproduttrice, che in combinazione con maschi diversi ha dato i cuccioli di livello elevato. Nella sua prima cucciolata da Ali Amadeus Piligrimas sono stati ottenuti: multi-campionesse Teraline Dark e Teraline Debiana Sid, vincitrice del Russo Club di Dobermann, campionessa internazionale, multi campionessa - Teraline Dancing Queen. In seconda figliata da Atreyo de Grande Vinko sono stati ottenuti: giovane vincitore europeo, internazionale e multi campione - Teraline Indigo, giovane vincitrice europea, vincitrice di AIAD e di IDC - Teraline Ingrid, multi vincitori Idaho, Impreza e in Italy. Nella terza cucciolata da Fedor del Nasi: multi campione e vincitore del Dobermann Club di Russia - Teraline Lord of the Ring. Nella quarta cucciolata d’Aurora da Pako Daker sono nati: vice-vincitore di IDC & Giovane campione del mondo Teraline Midgard e giovane vice vincitrice di IDC - Teraline Montera.

 

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Teraline Aurora and Ferrofarah Gomez di Campovalano - AIAD Siegers

 

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Teraline Aurora - AIAD Siegerin

 

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Teraline Aurora - Korung 2005

 

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Aurora and Admiral


A suo parere, qual è la base di alto livello della stabilità dei risultati di Teraline Aurora, come riproduttrice ?

 

Prima di tutto, questo è basato sul suo fenotipo eccellente, il quale essa ha ricevuto da parte dei genitori: si tratta di una generale armonia ed equilibrio. Si dovrebbe accenare che lei possiede molto forte e lunga testa con un’eccelente espressione, il collo lungo e giusto, il petto molto profondo con un bordo lungo. Aurora è un cane molto forte, essa ha ottimi istinti e possiede forte carattere. Suo padre era il famoso Gino Gomez del Citone: progettato dal Dott. Pezzano. Gino Gomez del Citone può essere considerato uno dei migliori reproduttori del nostro tempo. Vale ricordare che lui ha dato alla nostra razza un sacco di dobermann al livello più alto. Io sono grata al dottor Pezzano che era in grado di usare Gino. La madre di Aurora- Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai - era molto forte, ma nello stesso tempo - molto armoniosa e femminile. Questo cane non poteva lasciare indifferente nessuno. Tuttavia, il fenotipo non funzionerebbe nei discendenti, se non il sostegno del genotipo. Il genotipo di Gino Gomez ha concentrato tutti i migliori della Linea di Citone. Si potrebbe confermare che questo è il migliore che ha trasmesso Gino Gomez del Citone alla prole. Il genotipo di Trefovaja Dama, Taisia, Tamerlan, Tigr e di cucciolata “T” basava sulla combinazione di eccellenti riproduttori come Indira vd Rauberhohle con Ugor di Villa Conte. Indira incarna le migliori qualità di cani di linea Norden Stamm – come la grande forza e lo stile. Anche se è stata accoppiata con Ugor di Villa Conte per caso (lei non era destinata a lui in Italia), questo caso era molto felice. Ugor di Villa Conte, anche grazie suo padre Gamon di Campovalano, ha dato alla cucciolata “T” eccezionale forza, l'espressione perfetta di una forte e molto bella testa. Così collega le migliori qualità di queste due grandi linee e porta alla mostra. In seguito si ottiene il successo riproduttivo di cucciolata “T” e dei loro discendenti oggii.

 

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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai

 

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Trefovaja Dama with her daughter Aurora

 

Nel tuo allevamento si utilizza un unico cane molto famoso - vincitore - Gino Gomez del Citone,altri maschi non erano ben noti al pubblico. PerchĂŠ sono stati usati da te, perchĂŠ non hai scelto altri campioni che sono ben noti a tutti ?

 

Gino era magnifico cane con carattere. Grazie a questo lui poteva diventare un grande campione. Ma anche bisogna ricordare che lui ha avuto la corporatura proporzionata ed equilibrato pedigree. Tutte queste qualità gli hanno permesso di divenatare un grande riproduttore.
Non tutti i campioni mostrati possiedono le caratteristiche fenotipiche che sto cercando, così come i loro pedigree non sempre sono adeguati per le mie femmine. Capita spesso che nonostante i titoli, i campioni sono insostenibili come riproduttori.
Al contrario, a volte succede che un buon riproduttore non sia in grado di dare delle qualità positive alle femmine, se non si prende in considerazione le loro compatibilità fenotipiche (l'esistenza di debolezze comuni) e il pedigree. A molti proprietari di femmine piace "endogamia", non sapendo che la "magia" di accoppiamento tra consanguinei non funziona attraverso l'accoppiamento di cani mediocri che non possiedono le qualità preziose dei grandi antenati. Una buona soluzione non sempre si trova sulla parte superiore della superficie.
I maschi, che ho usato nel mio allevamento, erano dotati di queste qualità fenotipiche che andrebbero a completare la mia cagna, e il loro pedigree mi ha assicurato che avrei ottenuto un buon risultato. Il risultato complessivo - è un cane di tipo molto buono con un pedigree equilibrato. Queste qualità hanno portato successo sia durante le esposizioni che in attività dell’allevamento. Tutto questo conferma la correttezza della mia scelta. Io non vivo solo per giorno presente. Penso di futuro di Doberman "Teraline". Ho dedicato la stessa attenzione verso l'aspetto, il carattere e la salute dei Dobermann. Veramente cerco di avere cura di Dobermann che vivranno accanto a me.

 

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Teraline Dancing Queen

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Teraline Dark

 

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Teraline Debiana Sid

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Teraline Indigo

 

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Teraline Ingrid

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Teraline Italy

 

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Teraline Impreza

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Teraline Isabelle

 

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IDC Siegerin 2008 Teraline Ingrid with owner Tommaso Vargiu and breeder Natalia Fokht

 

Molte persone dicevano che la cucciolata "T" di Slavnoi Stai era cruciale per lo sviluppo della razza in Russia. Dal momento quando tu possiedi Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai, potrebbe dare qualche commento sui cani notevoli che provenivano dalla combinazione di Ugor di Villa Conte e Indira v.d. Rauberhohle ?

 

È chiaro che ci siano alcune linee forti e potenti che formano l'attuale "faccia" della razza. Non si dovrebbe inoltre dimenticare la base su cui la cucciolata ”T” è fatta. Non direi che la cucciolata ”T” è stata cruciale per lo sviluppo della razza in Russia, però il merito è grande - non c'è dubbio. E non solo in Russia, ma in tutto il mondo.
Tamerlan, Tigr, Taisija, Trefovaja Dama sono stati i cani mostrati e hanno fatto furore. Grazie al loro aspetto eccellente hanno vinto facilmente molti spettacoli. Sono stati i cani di più alto livello della razza, dello stesso tipo, ma, naturalmente, c’erano alcune differenze. Tamerlan è stato un grande e forte maschio, con la grande, maschile testa con le linee perfette. Tigr è stato un po’ inferiore di suo fratello, ma molto forte con un collo lunghissimo con la testa forte e il muso un po’ corto. Tuttavia secondo me l'aspetto più corretto tra i maschi di cucciolata ”T” aveva Titan Terenty: molto forte, compatto, con linea dorsale eccellente, potente e giusta testa con buona espressione. Purtroppo, è andato al proprietario che non era in grado di apprezzare un dono del destino. Così questo bellissimo Dobermann è rimasto sconosciuto al popolo e non ha lasciato nulla. Taisija era molto femminile, forte e profonda femmina con la testa eccellente. Trefovaja Dama era la cagna più armoniosa in questa cucciolata, teneva il suo fantastico equilibrio in piedi e in movimento. Tutti questi cani hanno avuto un meraviglioso, aperto carattere con un sacco di fiducia in se stessi. Grazie a Dio - i riproduttori sono diventati molto buoni. Sulla base di cucciolata „T” i cani hanno creato diversi allevamenti, collaborando con i diretti discendenti di questi cani notevoli. In allevamento lituano "Piligrimas" da Taisija e Ilane Darafal è nata Aisa Adelaila Piligrimas che era vincitrice di IDC. In allevamento lettone "Livonija" è stata istituita la linea di figlia di Taisija - Paola Penelopa Piligrimas, essa ha dato alla luce i cani davvero bellissimi. Trefovaja Dama ha stabilito il mio allevamento.
Tamerlan è stato usato da molti allevatori in Russia e all'estero, lasciando molti figli meravigliosi. Nello stesso modo e con grande succeso è stato usato Tigr.
Penso che cucciolata “T” abbia notevole influsso sui nostri allevamenti anche per questo motivo che oggidì i discendenti più popolari e di successo provengono da Tigr, Tamerlan, Taisija, Trefovaaja Dama. Ecco loro: Qualiam Quasim del Citone, Fedor del Nasi, Teraline Aurora e Indigo, Livonijas Baron Hitchcock, Heart of Hamlet e gli altri. Questi cani stessi - i rappresentanti di spicco della razza continuano a portare un linea di cucciolata "T".
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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai and Tigr iz Slavnoi Stai

 

Ugor di Villa Conte
Gamon di Campovalano Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Franckenhorst
Mali di Campovalano Eltaipan di Campovalano
Zuma di Campovalano
Nancy di Villa Conte Rex del Rio Bianco
Quarz del Littorio
Hera v. Roveline
Athena di Villa Conte Orion di Campovalano
Hidargos Xoni

Indira v.d Rauberhohle

Prinz v. Norden Stamm Quinn dei Nobili Nati Runo dei Nobili Nati
Tairy di Campovalano
Kastra v. Norden Stamm
Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen
Nemesis Figi v. Koepsel Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Frankcenhorst
Kalina v. Norden Stamm Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen

 

Sei abituata ad essere non solo un allevatrice molto famosa e giudice che viene da Russia, ma anche una buona tutrice. Mi ricordo che ti sei occupata di famosi cani come Bombastic v. Hanseaten, Nestor iz Zoosfery o Gemini Ginga House. Ciò che è importante per essere una buona tutrice dei Dobermann ?

 

Sì, mi sono occupata di Gemini Ginga House e grazie a me è vincitrice di Euro e BOB. Bombastic v. Hanseaten ha acquistato il titolo di vincitore IDC, Nestor iz Zoosfery è divenatato vice-vincitore di Euro. Ma tutti questi cani erano notevoli e sono stati ben preparati dai loro allevatori e proprietari, e io solo gli ho aiutato a vincere questo titolo importante. Dicendo la verità, non mi piace gestire i cani degli altri e lo faccio raramente.
Credo che per essere una buona gestrice si debba capire e sentire il cane, si dovrebbe essere in grado di vedere i loro punti forti e deboli. È importante anche trovare un secondo contatto con il cane, ovviamente se non stiamo parlando di propri cani. Preparare il dobermann alla mostra è un sacco di lavoro, ma anche si potrebbe dire che è arte. In ogni caso, sul ring, si vede soltanto il finale di tutto il lavoro che era fatto in precedenza con il cane.

 

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Nestor iz Zoosfery and Natalia Fokht - World Dog Show in Amsterdam 2002

 

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Bombastic v. Hanseaten with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2002

 

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Gemini Ginga House with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2003

 

Da quanto tempo callabori con Dobermann ?

 

Il mio primo Doberman appare nella mia famiglia nel 1988. Nel 1992 divento una giudice per Dobermann. Nel 2000 il mio allevamento è stato registrato nel FCI. Il suo nome deriva dal soprannome del suo fondatore - Trefovaja Dama. L’ho chiamata Tera, così abbiamo a che fare con "Teraline" - linea di Tera, la sua continuazione.
Sono stato invitata a giudicare a molte fiere, ci ho visto tanti cani della nostra razza che provenivano dai continenti diversi. Sono rimasta molto sorpresa da un dobermann di alta qualità di Indonesia.
Nel mio hobby - Dobermanns - è molto utile per me mio marito che si chiama Alexei. Lui è un bravo sportivo e un allenatore, non solo per le persone, ma anche per i cani. Prepara i nostri cani per ZTP e IPO, anche ad un addestramento fisico e agli spettacoli. Tutti e due pensiamo alle combinazioni future. Ad esempio, l'idea di combinazioni Aurora e Pako Daker Aurora e Salubi e della Ninfa Nobel appartiene ad Alexei. Naturalmente, Alexei – è il critico più severo sia se riguarda me, i nostri cani che i risultati del nostro lavoro comune. Come un’ allevatrice sono ancora all'inizio. Devo imparare moltissimo.

 

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Alexei and Natalia on IDC 2009

 

 

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IDC 1999 in Garmish-Parterkirchen, Germany. Icaro di Villa Castelli

and Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai.

 

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Alexei - helper

 

Grazie per aver risposto alle mie domande. Buona fortuna in anno nuovo !

 

Interview with Natalia Fokht, russian breeder and judge, owner of "Teraline" kennel.

 

interview in english language

interview in italian language

 

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Natalia Fokht with little Teraline Montera, Teraline Aurora and Teraline Indigo

 

 

Михаил Якубовскы: Что Вам принес этот год?

 

Наталия Фохт: Этот год был хороший. Собаки моего питомника получили несколько важных титулов. Тералайн Лорд оф зе Ринг (Тералайн Аврора-Fedor del Nasi) стал Чемпионом Национального Клуба, сдал ZTP (V 1А, Эксперт: H.Wiblishauser), Тералайн Индиго (Тералайн Аврора- Атрейо де Гранде Винко) получил титул Интернационального чемпиона, мой М-помет (Тералайн Аврора-Pako Daker) вышел в большой свет: Тералайн Монтера стала победителем Российского Доберман Клуба, Юным Чемпионом Санкт-Петербурга, Лучшим Юниором Украинского Чемпионата и вице-Юным Победителем IDC. Тералайн Мидгард стал Лучшим юниором Национального чемпионата Российского Доберман клуба и Чемпионата Москвы, вице-Юным Чемпионом IDC и Мира, чемпионом России, Украины, Латвии. Тералайн Мурано, живущий на Дальнем Востоке, на границе с Китаем, является самым успешным молодым кобелем в своем огромном регионе. Им сейчас по 17 месяцев и, я уверена, что они еще не раз дадут мне подвод порадоваться в будущем.

 

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Teraline Midgard

 

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Teraline Montera

 

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Teraline Lord of the Ring

 

Впечатляющие результаты года, тем более для одного и небольшого питомника. И следующий вопрос: как Вам удается из одного, максимум двух пометов в год делать топ собак?

 

Вы правильно отметили, что у меня в питомнике бывает один-два помета в год, возможно это и заставляет меня бережно и кропотливо относиться к продумыванию комбинаций. Так как в случае моего неправильного решения я потеряю одно поколение и год своей работы, а в жизни случается так, что и дальнейшую перспективу. Моя знаменитая IDC победительница Трефовая Дама из Славной Стаи (Indira v.d. Rauberhohle-Ugor di Villa Conte) – основательница моего питомника, смогла иметь всего один помет в своей жизни - мой А-помет (Трефовая Дама из Славной Стаи-Gino Gomez del Citone), из которого вышли такие собаки, как мульти чампион, вице-чемпионка Европы, победительница Российского Доберман клуба, AIAD победительница Тералайн Аврора, мульти победитель Тералайн Адмирал и другие. Но даже этого одного помета оказалось не так уж мало, чтобы и дальше укреплять и развивать лучшие качества родоначальницы питомника. Тералайн Аврора стала не только великолепной выставочной и рабочей собакой, но и отличной производительницей, которая в комбинациях с различными кобелями давала щенков неизменно высочайшего уровня. В ее первом помете от Ali Amadeus Piligrimas были получены: Мульти Чемпионы Тералайн Дарк, Тералайн Дебиана Сид и победительница Российского Доберман клуба, Интернациональный. чемпинон - Тералайн Дансинг Квин. В помете от Атрейо де Гранде Винко: Юный Чемпион Европы, Интер. и мульти Чемпион Тералайн Индиго, Юный Чемпион Европы, AIAD победительница, IDC победительница Тералайн Ингрид, мульти победители Импреза, Изабель и Итали. В помете от Fedor del Nasi: мульти чемпион Тералайн Лорд оф зе Ринг. В помете от Pako Daker: Юные вице-победители ИДС Тералайн Монтера и Мидгард.

 

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Teraline Aurora and Ferrofarah Gomez di Campovalano - AIAD Siegers

 

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Teraline Aurora - AIAD Siegerin

 

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Teraline Aurora - Korung 2005

 

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Aurora and Admiral

 

По Вашему мнению, на чем основывается высокая стабильность результата Тералайн Авроры, как производительницы?

 

Прежде всего, на ее отличных фенотипических данных, которые она унаследовала от родителей. Это общая гармоничность и баланс. Очень крепкая и длинная голова с отличными плоскостями и выражением. Длинная, правильного выхода шея. Очень глубокая, с длинным ребром грудная клетка. Аврора очень крепкая собака, обладающая отличными инстинктами и очень твердым характером. Ее отцом был знаменитый Gino Gomez del Citone, задуманный и сделанный доктором Пеццано, настоящий производитель современности, давший породе очень много доберманов высочайшего уровня. Я благодарна доктору Пеццано, что у меня была возможность использовать его Gino.
Матерью Авроры была исключительно крепкая, но при этом - очень гармоничная и женственная Трефовая Дама из Славной Стаи. Эта собака никого не могла оставить равнодушной.
Но фенотип не будет работать в потомках, если его не поддерживает генотип. Генотип Gino Gomez del Citone сконцентрировал все лучшее из линии del Citone. И это лучшее Gino Gomez передавал своим потомкам. Генотип Трефовой Дамы, Таисии,
Тамерлана, Тигра и всего Т- помета базируется на соединении великолепной производительницы Indira v.d. Rauberhohle и Ugor di Villa Conte. Indira v.d. Rauberhohle воплотила в себе лучшие качества собак линии Norden Stamm – типичность, элегантность, классность и стиль. И хотя ее вязка с Ugor di Villa Conte состоялась по воле случая, этот случай оказался счастливым. Ugor, через своего отца Gamon di Campovalano, придал Т-помету отличный тип, исключительную общую крепость, отличное выражение сильной, очень породной головы. Соединение лучших качеств этих двух великих линий и привело к выставочному, а позже - племенному успеху Т-помета и его потомков сейчас.

 

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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai

 

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Trefovaja Dama with her daughter Aurora

 

В своем разведении вы использовали только одного топ победителя рингов – Gino Gomez del Citone, остальные кобели были не столь известны широкой публике. Почему именно они были использованы Вами, а не всем известные чемпионы?

 

Gino Gomez del Citone обладал исключительным экстерьером и характером, и именно это позволило ему стать великим чемпионом. Но также он обладал и отлично построенной, сбалансированной родословной, что позволило ему стать и великим производителем.
Не все чемпионы обладают нужными мне фенотипическими качествами, а так же их родословные не всегда подходят для моих сук. Достаточно часто случается, что чемпионы рингов в племенной деятельности оказываются совсем незначительными.
И наоборот, хороший производитель может не передать вашей суке нужных вам качеств, если вы не учитываете их фенотипическую сочетаемость (наличие общих недостатков) и, конечно, родословную. Многие владельцы сук любят использовать слово «инбридинг», недопонимая, что «волшебство» инбридинга не будет работать через вязку посредственных собак, не обладающих ценными качествами великих предков. Хорошее решение не всегда лежит на поверхности.
В использованных мной в разведении кобелях, я нашла те фенотипические качества, которые дополняли бы мою суку, а их родословная давала мне большую уверенность в хорошем результате. В итоге получались собаки очень хорошего типа со сбалансированной родословной и эти качества приносят им успех как на шоу, так и в племенной деятельности, что подтверждает правильность моего выбора. Я не живу только сегодняшним днем. Я думаю о том, каким будет доберман «Тералайн» в будущем. Равное внимание я уделяю как экстерьеру и характеру, так и здоровью добермана. Мне совсем небезразлично, какая собака будет жить со мной рядом.

 

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Teraline Dancing Queen

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Teraline Dark

 

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Teraline Debiana Sid

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Teraline Indigo

 

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Teraline Ingrid

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Teraline Italy

 

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Teraline Impreza

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Teraline Isabelle

 

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IDC Siegerin 2008 Teraline Ingrid with owner Tommaso Vargiu and breeder Natalia Fokht

 

Многие люди говорили, что Т-помет оказал решающее значение на развитие породы в России. Поскольку Вы были владельцем Трефовой Дамы, могли бы Вы дать некоторые комментарии о замечательных собаках, произошедших от комбиниции Indira v.d. Ruberhohle и Ugor di Villa Conte?

 

В мире есть несколько сильных и влиятельных линий, которые формируют современное «лицо» породы. Также нужно не забывать, на основе чего сделана линия Т – помета. Я не сказала бы, что Т-помет внес решающий вклад в развитии породы в России, но то, что этот вклад большой - несомненно. И не только в России, но и во всем мире. Тамерлан, Тигр, Таисия, Трефовая Дама были очень успешны как выставочные собаки и обладали данными, благодаря которым они с легкостью побеждали на многих шоу. Все они были собаками высочайшего породного уровня, однотипными, но и имели некоторые различия. Тамерлан был очень крупным, крепким, с мужественной крупной головой кобелем. Тигр был чуть ниже брата, исключительно крепкий, с невероятно длинной шеей, с сильной головой и чуть коротковатой мордой. Самым благополучным, по моему мнению, кобелем из Т-помета был Титан Терентий: очень крепкий, компактный, с отличной линией верха, мощной и правильной головой с хорошим выражением. К сожалению, он достался владельцу, который не смог по достоинству оценить такой подарок судьбы и этот прекрасный кобель так и остался неизвестен широкой публике и не оставил после себя ничего. Таисия была очень женственной, крепкой и глубокой сукой с отличной головой. Трефовая Дама была самой гармоничной собакой в этом помете, она сохраняла свой фантастический баланс как в стойке, так и движении. Все перечисленные мной собаки имели замечательный, открытый характер и были исключительно уверены в себе. И благодаря Богу они стали еще и очень хорошими производителями. На основе собак Т- помета создано несколько питомников, работающих с прямыми потомками этих выдающихся собак. В литовском питомнике «Piligrimas» от Таисии a Ilane Darafal была получена IDC-Победительница Aisa Adelaila Piligrimas. В латвийском питомнике «Livonijas» основала свою линию дочь Таисии – Паола Пенелопа Пилигримас, родившая немало отличных собак. Трефовая Дама основала мой питомник. Тамерлан и Тигр активно использовались заводчиками как в России, так и за границей и оставили много замечательных потомков.
Я думаю, что Т-помет еще долго будет оказывать влияние на нашу породу. Потому что сегодня одни из самых успешных и востребованных производителей являются потомками Тигра, Тамерлана, Таисии и Трефовой Дамы: Qualiam Quasim del Citone, Fedor del Nasi, Тералайн Аврора и Индиго, Livonijas Baron Hich Cock и Heart of Hamlet и другие, которые и сами по себе являются выдающимися представителями породы и продолжают нести кровь Т-помета.

 

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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai and Tigr iz Slavnoi Stai

 

Ugor di Villa Conte
Gamon di Campovalano Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Franckenhorst
Mali di Campovalano Eltaipan di Campovalano
Zuma di Campovalano
Nancy di Villa Conte Rex del Rio Bianco
Quarz del Littorio
Hera v. Roveline
Athena di Villa Conte Orion di Campovalano
Hidargos Xoni

Indira v.d Rauberhohle

Prinz v. Norden Stamm Quinn dei Nobili Nati Runo dei Nobili Nati
Tairy di Campovalano
Kastra v. Norden Stamm
Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen
Nemesis Figi v. Koepsel Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Frankcenhorst
Kalina v. Norden Stamm Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen

 

Вы являетесь не только хорошо известным заводчиком и судьей из России, но также и очень хорошим хэндлером. Я помню, что Вы показывали много известных собак, например Gemini Ginga Haus, Bombastic v. Hanseaten, Нестор из Зоосферы. Что важно, чтобы быть хорошим хэндлером добермана?

 


Да, я выставляла Gemini Ginga Haus и со мной он стал чемпионом Европы и ВОВ, а также выиграл класс чемпионов на ИДЦ. Bombastic v. Hanseaten со мной стал победителем IDC, Нестор из Зоосферы выиграл рабочий класс и стал вице чемпионом Европы. Но все эти выдающиеся собаки были отлично подготовлены своими заводчиками и владельцами, и я только помогла им выиграть важные титулы. Честно говоря, я не очень люблю выставлять чужих собак и делаю это крайне редко.
Чтобы быть хорошим хэндлером, я думаю, надо понимать и чувствовать собаку, уметь видеть ее сильные и слабые стороны. А также надо суметь за секунды найти контакт с собакой, если мы говорим о показе собак чужих. Подготовить добермана к показу это огромная работа и в некотором роде – искусство. В двух словах невозможно рассказать: что важно, чтобы быть хорошим хэндлером. В любом случае в ринге мы видим только финал всей работы, проделанной ранее с собакой.

 

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Nestor iz Zoosfery and Natalia Fokht - World Dog Show in Amsterdam 2002

 

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Bombastic v. Hanseaten with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2002

 

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Gemini Ginga House with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2003

 

Как давно Вы с доберманом?

 

Мой первый доберман появился у меня в 1988 году. В 1992 году я стала судьей по породе доберман. В 2000 мой питомник был зарегистрирован в FCI. Его название происходит от домашнего имени его основательницы – Трефовой Дамы. Я звала ее ТЕРА, отсюда и название питомника – Тералайн – линия Теры.
Благодаря приглашениям судить на многих специализированных выставках, я видела состояние породы в разных странах и на разных континентах. Больше всего меня приятно удивили очень качественные доберманы Индонезии.
В моем увлечении доберманами мне очень помогает мой муж - Алексей, который является очень хорошим спортсменом и тренером не только людей, но и собак. Он готовит наших собак к ZTP и IPO, также занимается физическим тренингом и ринговой подготовкой с ними. Мы вместе продумываем будущие комбинации. Например, идея комбинаций Аврора – Pako Daker и Аврора – Salubi della Ninfa Nobel принадлежит Алексею. Естественно, Алексей – самый строгий критик как для меня и наших собак, так и для результатов нашей совместной работы.
Как заводчик, я нахожусь еще только в начале пути. Мне еще многому надо научиться и узнать о нашей породе.

 

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Alexei and Natalia on IDC 2009

 

 

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IDC 1999 in Garmish-Parterkirchen, Germany. Icaro di Villa Castelli

and Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai.

 

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Alexei - helper

 

Михаил: «Спасибо, что ответили на мои вопросы. Удачи Вам в Новом году!»

 

Interview with Natalia Fokht, russian breeder and judge, owner of "Teraline" kennel.

 

interview in russian language

interview in italian language

 

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Natalia Fokht with little Teraline Montera, Teraline Aurora and Teraline Indigo

 

 

Michael Jakubowsky: What this year brough for you?

 

Natalia Fokht: This year was good. Dogs from my kennel got some important titles. Teraline Lord of the Ring (Teraline Aurora - Fedor del Nasi) became a Champion of National Russian Dobermann Club, passed ZTP (V1A, judge: H. Wiblishauser), Teraline Indigo (Teraline Aurora - Atreyo de Grande Vinko) got the title International Champion, dogs from my M litter (Teraline Aurora - Pako Daker) went into “high society” - Teraline Montera became winner of National Russian Dobermann Club, Junior Champion of Saint-Petersburg, Best Junior of Ukrainian National Championship and vice-IDC Junior Winner. Teraline Midgard became Best Junior at National Championships of Russian Dobermann Club and the Championship of Moscow, vice IDC Junior Winner and vice Junior World Winner, Champion of Russia, Ukraine, Latvia. Teraline Murano, who lives in the Far East, on the border with China, is the most successful young male in that vast region. They are now at the age of 17 months and I’m sure that they still will please us with their successes in the future.

 

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Teraline Midgard

 

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Teraline Montera

 

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Teraline Lord of the Ring

 

Impressive results, all the more for one and not a big kennel. Next question:
How can you do that; from one, maximum two litters per year to breed top dogs?

 

You noticed correctly, that in my kennel is one or two litters a year, perhaps it makes me cautious and careful to think about new combinations, as in case of my wrong decision, I will loose a generation and a year of my work. And in life it may happen that is lost further prospects. My famous IDC Sieger – Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai (Indira v.d .Rauberhohle - Ugor di Villa Conte), the founder of my kennel, was able to have only one litter in her life. My A-litter (from Gino Gomez del Citone) from which she produced such dogs as: multi Champion, vice-European Winner, Winner of National Russian Dobermann Club, AIAD Sieger - Teraline Aurora and Multi Winner - Teraline Admiral. Anyway, even one litter was not so little to further strenghten and to develop the best qualities of my kennel’s ancestor. Teraline Aurora became not only a great show and working dog but also an outstanding producer. In combinations with different males she gave puppies consistently of high level. In her first litter with Ali Amadeus Piligrimas were obtained: Multi Champions Teraline Dark and Teraline Debiana Sid, Winner of Russian Dobermann Club, International Champinon, Multi Champion - Teraline Dancing Queen. In second litter with Atreyo de Grande Vinko were obtained: Young European Winner, International and Multi Champion - Teraline Indigo, Young European Winner, AIAD Sieger, IDC Winner - Teraline Ingrid, Multi Winners Idaho, Impreza and Italy. In the third litter with Fedor del Nasi: multi champion and winner of Russian Dobermann Club - Teraline Lord of the Ring. In fourth Aurora’a litter with Pako Daker were born: IDC & World Young vice-winner - Teraline Midgard and IDC Young-vice winner – Teraline Montera.

 

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Teraline Aurora and Ferrofarah Gomez di Campovalano - AIAD Siegers

 

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Teraline Aurora - AIAD Siegerin

 

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Teraline Aurora - Korung 2005

 

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Aurora and Admiral

 

In your opinion, what is the base of the high stability of Teraline Aurora as a producer?

 

First of all, it’s based on her excellent phenotype, which she received from parents: this is a general harmony and balance; very strong and long head with excellent planes and expression; long, with correct exit neck; very deep, with a long edge, chest. Aurora is a very strong dog, which has excellent instincts and strong character. Her father was the famous Gino Gomez del Citone: designed and made by Dr. Pezzano. Gino Gomez del Citone –one of the best producer of our time, which gave to our breed a lot of highest lever Dobermans. I’m grateful to Dr. Pezzano that I was able to use Gino. Aurora’s mother was very strong, but at the same time - a very harmonious and feminine – Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai. This dog could not leave anyone indifferent.
However, the phenotype will not work in the descendants, if it does not support by the genotype. Genotype of Gino Gomez concentrated all the best of del Citone’s line. And this is the best Gino Gomez del Citone passed on to their offspring. Genotype of Trefovaja Dama, Taisia, Tamerlan, Tigr and the T-litter’s dogs based on the combination of excellent producer Indira v.d. Rauberhohle with Ugor di Villa Conte. Indira embodied the best qualities of dogs Norden Stamm line’s - typical, total strength, elegant and style. Although she was mated with Ugor di Villa Conte by chance (in Italy she went not to him), - this case was a lucky one. Ugor di Villa Conte, through his father Gamon di Campovalano, gave to T-litter exceptional overall strength, the perfect expression of a strong, very beautiful head. Connecting the best qualities of these two great lines and led to the show and later - breeding success of T-litter and thier descendants now.

 

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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai

 

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Trefovaja Dama with her daughter Aurora

 

In your breeding you used only one top show – winner. It was Gino Gomez del Citone, the remaining males were not as well known to the public. Why they were used by you, instead of well-known champions?

 

Gino had a magnificent exterior and character and this enabled him to become a great champion.
He also had excellent built and balanced pedigree. It allowed him to become a great producer.
Not all show champions possess the phenotypic characteristics, which I’m looking for, as well as their pedigrees are not always appropriate for my females. Often happens that the champions rings are untenable as producers.
Conversely, a good producer sometimes can not give to your female right qualities. If you do not take into account their phenotypic compatibility (the existence of common weaknesses) and pedigree. Many female’s owners like to use the word "inbreeding", not knowing that "magic" of inbreeding will not work through the mating of mediocre dogs, do not possess valuable qualities of the great ancestors. A good solution is not always lie on the top of surface.
In males, which I used in my breeding, I found those phenotypic quality that would complement my bitch, and their pedigree gave me greater confidence in good result. The overall result - is a dog of very good type with a balanced pedigree and these qualities bring them success as on the show, and in breeding activity, which confirm the correctness of my choice. I do not live only for today. I think: what will be «Teraline» Doberman in the future. I devote equal attention to the exterior, character, and health of Dobermann. I really care about what Dobermann will live with me beside.

 

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Teraline Dancing Queen

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Teraline Dark

 

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Teraline Debiana Sid

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Teraline Indigo

 

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Teraline Ingrid

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Teraline Italy

 

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Teraline Impreza

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Teraline Isabelle

 

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IDC Siegerin 2008 Teraline Ingrid with owner Tommaso Vargiu and breeder Natalia Fokht

 

Some people are used to say that "T" litter of «iz Slavnoi Stai» was crucial for development of the breed in Russia. Since you owned Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai, could you give some comment about remarkable dogs which came from combination of Ugor di Villa Conte and Indira v.d Rauberhohle?

 

There are some strong and powerful lines, which form the current "face" of the breed. We should also not forget the basis, on which T litter is made. I would not say that T-litter has been instrumental in the development of the breed in Russia, but that contribution is large - no doubt. And not only in Russia, but throughout the world.
Tamerlan, Tigr, Taisija, Trefovaja Dama have been very successful show dogs and thanks to their excellent exterior - they easily won at the many shows. They were dogs of the highest level of the breed, the same type, but of course, had some differences. Tamerlan was a very big, strong male, with masculine, big head with good lines. Tigr was slightly lower, than his brother, extremely strong, with an incredibly long neck, with a strong head and a bit shortish muzzle. But in my opinion, the most correct exterior among T-litter’s males had Titan Terenty: very strong, compact, with excellent topline, powerful and correct head with good expression. Unfortunately, he went to the owner, who could not appreciate such a gift of fate and this beautiful Dobermann remained unknown to the people and left nothing behind. Taisija was very feminine, strong and deep female with excellent head. Trefovaja Dama was the most harmonious dog in this litter, she kept her fantastic balance in standing and in movement. All of these dogs had a wonderful, open character with lots of self-confidence. And thanks God – they became very good producers. On the basis of T-litter dogs created several kennels, working with direct descendants of these remarkable dogs. In Lithuanian kennel "Piligrimas" from Taisija and Ilane Darafal was born IDC Winner Aisa Adelaila Piligrimas. In Latvian kennel "Livonija", was established line Taisija’s daughter - Paola Penelopa Piligrimas and she has given a birth to really beautiful dogs. Trefovaja Dama established my kennel. Tamerlan was actively used by many breeders in Russia and abroad, leaving many wonderful offspring. The same actively, widely and successfully was used Tigr.
I think that T-litter for a long time will continue to affect on our breed. Because today the most successful and popular producers are descendants of Tigr, Tamerlan, Taisija, Trefovaja Dama: Quillam Quasim del Citone, Fedor del Nasi, Teraline Aurora and Indigo, Livonijas Baron Hitchcock and Heart of Hamlet and others. These dogs themselves - outstanding representatives of the breed and they continue to carry a line of T-litter on.

 

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Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai and Tigr iz Slavnoi Stai

 

Ugor di Villa Conte
Gamon di Campovalano Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam
Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Franckenhorst
Mali di Campovalano Eltaipan di Campovalano
Zuma di Campovalano
Nancy di Villa Conte Rex del Rio Bianco
Quarz del Littorio
Hera v. Roveline
Athena di Villa Conte Orion di Campovalano
Hidargos Xoni

Indira v.d Rauberhohle

Prinz v. Norden Stamm Quinn dei Nobili Nati Runo dei Nobili Nati
Tairy di Campovalano
Kastra v. Norden Stamm
Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen
Nemesis Figi v. Koepsel Graaf Quirinus v. Neerlands Stam Hertog Alpha v. Le Dobry
Dea Dolores v. Frankcenhorst
Kalina v. Norden Stamm Ebo v. Groote Mat
Alida v. Flandrichen Lowen

 

You are not only a well-known breeder and judge fromRussia but also a very good handler. I remember that you have handled many famous dogs likes for example Bombastic v. Hanseaten, Nestor iz Zoosfery or Gemini Ginga House. What is important to be a good handler of dobermanns?

 

Yes, I’ve handled Gemini Ginga House and with me he became Euro Winner and BOB. With Bombastic v. Hanseaten I won IDC Sieger title, Nestor iz Zoosfery became vice World Winner. But all these outstanding dogs were well prepared by their breeders and owners and I only helped them to win these important titles. To tell the truth, I don’t like to handle other people's dogs and do it very seldom.
To be a good handler, I think, you need to understand and feel the dog, to be able to see their strengths and weaknesses. And also be able to find in a seconds contact with the dog. If we are not talking about our own dogs. Preparation of Dobermann for show it’s a lot of work and some sort of art. In any case, in the ring, we see only the final of all the work previously done with the dog.

 

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Nestor iz Zoosfery and Natalia Fokht - World Dog Show in Amsterdam 2002

 

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Bombastic v. Hanseaten with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2002

 

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Gemini Ginga House with Natalia Fokht - IDC 2003

 

How long have you been with Dobermanns?

 

My first Doberman appeared in my family in 1988. In 1992 I became a judge for Dobermanns. In 2000 my kennel was registered in FCI. Its name comes from the nickname of its founder – Trefovaja Dama. I called her Tera, hence the name of the kennel – “Teraline” - line of Tera, her continuation.
With invitations to judge at many specialized shows, I saw the state of our breed on different continents. I was the most pleasantly surprised by a very high quality of Dobermans in Indonesia.
In my hobby – Dobermanns, - is very helpful to me my husband - Alexei, who is a very good athlete and coach not only for people but for dogs too. He prepares our dogs for ZTP and IPO, also engaged in physical training and preparation for shows. Together we think about future combinations. For example, the idea of combinations Aurora & Pako Daker and Aurora & Salubi della Ninfa Nobel belongs to Alexei. Of course, Alexei - the most severe critic as for me and our dogs and for the results of our joint work. As a breeder, I am still only at the beginning. I have a lot to learn about our breed
.

 

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Alexei and Natalia on IDC 2009

 

 

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IDC 1999 in Garmish-Parterkirchen, Germany. Icaro di Villa Castelli

and Trefovaja Dama iz Slavnoi Stai.

 

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Alexei - helper

 

Thank you for responding to my questions. Good luck to you in the New 2010 Year !

 

Interview mit Anna Tits, judge and breeder of russian dobermann kennel "iz Doma Domeni"

 

Sylwia Salmanowicz

"Elite House" kennel

October 2009

deutsche Sprache

english version

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Sylwia Salmanowicz: Quando e come è iniziata la tua avventura con i dobermann?

Anna Tits: Nel 1965 la nostra famiglia voleva comprare il cane. Mia madre ha scelto il dobermann che era della combinazione di due bellissimi genitori – Gobbi e Westa. Tutti e due erano vincitori moscoviti e provenivano di linea di sangue molto vecchio che era esportato da un militare tedesco. Grazie a Wego Grand sono rimasto affascinato di tutto che era legato ai cani, per esempio l’addestramento oppure le mostre dei cani. Purtroppo, a causa di malattia il nosto cane ci ha lasciato prestissimo. Anche il mio cane seguente era dobermann e proveniva di purosangue linea tedesca. Quando mi sono iscritto all’ corso cinologo ( 1970) la mia meraviglia diventava di giorno in giorno più grande. Quando la Russia è entrata in FCI ho registrato il mio allevemento "iz Doma Domeni".

S.S: Esiste qualche dobermann del passato che Ti è restato impresso nella memoria?

A.T: Ogni cane aveva un carattere molto speciale ed era per me molto particolare. In passato mi facevo questa domanda e non ero in grando trovare la risposta. Ogni cane aveva il posto speciale nel mio cuore .


S.S: Puoi dire qualcosa di Mirakel v.d Rauberhohle – cagna importata di Germania?

A.T: Per la prima volta ho visto sua madre Nemesis Figi v. Koepsel in grande mostra in Svizzera a Berna e sono rimasto entusiasta. Ho conosciuto la famiglia MĂśller e in seguenti anni volevo avere la cagna da Nemesis. Ho ottenuto il cucciolo che era ibrido di Nemesis con Alfa Adelante del Citone. La mia conoscente l'ha portato per me da Stoccarda a Mosca,era una bella cagna di eccelente carattere, quasi come un angelo – che era ideale non soltanto a vari doveri ma anche come un cane di compagnia. Spesso era presente durante le mostre, 6 volte era il campione, Rus Club Champiom, il vincitore di sua classe a IDC 2000 , HD – A , IPO I . Sono molto fiero di possedere questa cagna.

 

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Mirakel v.d Rauberhohle



S.S Aspettavi che da accoppiamemto Di Mirakel e Jivago v.h Wantij, due fratelli della stessa figliata si dimostreranno come una razza speciale non soltanto in Russia ma anche in Europa?

A.T: Io come ogni allevatore aspettvo qualcosa speciale dai suoi cuccioli. È ovvio. Purtroppo non esiste qualche istruzione per gli allevatori . Bisogna contare sull'istinto e sulla sua esperienza. Ho scelto Jivago di cui si diceva che grazie a esso i cuccioli avrebbero avuti ossa forte. Di una figliata ( 5 cani) 3 erano scelti per IDC 2003 che si preannunciava un gran successo. Non aspettavo che tutti e due i fratelli Pimmus e Punsh riportassero i successi, tanto più sono fiero di loro.

S.S: Pimms oppure Punsh – quale fratello è più speciale per te?

A.T: Non è una domanda giusta. Tutti e due cani sono per me molto importanti. Posso soltanto dire che Pimms è molto simile a Jivago, invece Punsh è quasi come Mirakel / Alfa Adelante. Sia Pimms sia Punsh sono particolari per me.

 

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Pimms Number One iz Doma Domeni

 

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Punsh iz Doma Domeni


S.S: È facile arbitrare Dobermann? A che cosa rivolgi la massima attenzione?

A.T: Tanti giudici pensano che la razza di Dobermann sia facile da giudicare. In mia opinione la difficoltà sia la stessa per tutte le razze. Non c'è la differenza. All’inizio rivolgo l’attenzione agli standard, per esempio mi domando se il cane sia quadrato. Mi interessa anche il suo garrese alto e torace ( deve essere non soltanto largo ma anche bello ). In più il cane per compiere certi compiti dovrebbe avere la bella groppa, bella e lunga testa. Il fattore più importante è l’impressione che fa.

S.S: Come puoi valutare la razza dobermann?

A.T: In passato la gente richiamava attenzione sulla bellezza di questa razza, oggidì il cane deve anche essere capace di lavorare ( allora presentare i tratti caratteristici per i cani da compiere il compito ) però dobbiamo ricordare che non può sparire la loro bellezza. Oggidì si sottolinea importanza della salute ( è un fattore importante che riguarda anche altre razze ). Soltanto la bellezza di un cane non basta. È molto importante anche la loro salute e la voglia di compiere i compiti. Così abbiamo un cane ideale. DV cerca di risolvere tutti i problemi che riguardano la data razza.

S.S: Qual è il tuo atteggiamento verso tutti i pericoli legati alla salute (DCM) oppure alla tendenza di allevare i dobermann che sono sempre più pesanti?

A.T: I problemi riguradanti la salute apparivano anche in passato, però allora i cani non erano esaminati oppure non era la possibilità di farlo a causa di mancanza di base medica. Oggigiorno ci sono tanti risultati d’analisi che sono pubblicati e abbiamo la possibilità di paragonarli. Prima non esistevano questi mezzi. È bene che la gente si interessi di questo. Non importa se siamo allevatori oppure proprietari di cane. Se eliminiamo i cani malati simulaneamente tutti i problemi si cancellano. Se riguarda allevamento di cani sempre più pesanti – non possiamo dimenticare di avere dobermann e no rottweiler. Non possiamo permettere a situazione che i cani oltrepassino limite superiore di peso. Bisogna mantenere l’armonia tra l’altezza e il peso.

S.S: Secondo Lei Dobermann dovrebbe avere le orecchie tagliate e la coda amputata ? Che Lei pensa di vietare mettere in mostra i tali cani in numero sempre più grande in altri paesi?

A.T: Sono molto conseguente, il vero dobermann è per me cane con le orecchie tagliate e la coda amputata. Questo va anche d'accordo con la filosofia di Luis Dobermann. Alcuni allevatori dei dobermann dopo il vietato hanno cambiando la razza. Dicendo la verità anch’io faresti così Però devo aggiungere che durante addestramento tutti i cani sono per me uguali, non importa se hanno coda o no.


S.S: IDC in Russi, secondo te è possibile nel futuro?

A.T: Sono del parere che sia possibile però ci sono tanti fattori che sono contro quest'idea. Il primo che per tanta gente è molto lontano, il secondo - ognuno avrà bisogno del visto. È difficile ottenerla e poi è cara, però sarei contento di poter sopravvivere un tale evento.

 


 

Interview mit Anna Tits, judge and breeder of russian dobermann kennel "iz Doma Domeni"

 

Sylwia Salmanowicz

"Elite House" kennel

October 2009

deutsche Sprache

italian version

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Sylwia Salmanowicz: When and how started your adventure with dobermanns?

Anna Tits: In 1965 our family decided to buy a dog. My mother chose a dobermann from the combination of very beautifull couple - Gobby and Westa who both were Moscow Winners. They came from old russian blood-lines which was exported from Germany by russian army.
With Wego Grand I went into raptures with everything what was associated with dogs - traning, shows etc. Unfortunately, Wego left early
because of his illness. My next dobermann came from pure german blood-line. My excitement and passion was bigger and I singed up
for cynological courses (1970). At the time when Russia entered to the FCI, I registrated my kennel "iz Doma Domeni" .

S.S: Is there any dobermann from the past who stuck in your mind?

A.T: Every dog had its own specific character and was very special for me. In the past I asked myself same question and I never could find an answer. Each one has special place in my heart.


S.S: Could you say something about your german import - Mirakel v.d Rauberhohle?

A.T: For the first time I saw her mother Nemesis Figi v. Koepsel on the big dog-show in Switzerland and she really impressed me.
I got to know Moller family and in the following years I wanted to have a daugther of Nemesis. I got puppie from the combination
of Alfa Adelante del Citone and Nemesis. My friend brought from Stuttgart to Moscow, beautifull female with excellent character, like
an angel, not only great for working but also as a family dog. She was shown often, 6x Champion, Russian, Club Champion, Class Winner
on IDC 2000, HD-A, IPO 1. I'm really proud of having this female.

 

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Mirakel v.d Rauberhohle



S.S Did you expect that from the combination of Mirakel and Jivago v/h Wantij two brothers from this litter will become so
important and influental males not only in Russia but also in Europe?


A.T: Every breeder expects something special from his litters and I'm not an exception. Unfortunately, there's no instuction for breeders on
how to breed, we have to rely on our instinct and experience. I've chosen Jivago, who was used to give to his progeny strong bone-structure what I also achieved in that litter. From 5 pups, 3 were chosen into the finals on IDC 2003 what heralded a big success for me.

S.S: Pimms or Punsh? Which of them is more special to you?

A.T: I think it's not a fair question. Both dogs are equaly important. I can only say that Pimms is more similar to Jivago while Punsh to Mirakel/Alfa Adelante.
They are both special in their own way.

 

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Pimms Number One iz Doma Domeni

 

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Punsh iz Doma Domeni


S.S: Is it easy to judge dobermanns? What is the most important for you during judging?

A.T: Many judges think that the dobermann is an easy breed to judge but in fact is difficult as all other breeds. First of all I pay attention to standard, if the dog is quadratic, has high-shoulders, if chest is not only wide but also deep. As a working dog, dobermanns need to have excellent croup, beautifull, long head and great expression.

S.S: How do you assess development of the dobermann breed?

A.T: In the past a lot of people paid special attention to beauty (conformation). Nowadays, the dobermann has to be a working dog as well
so he is supposed to represent features which are specific for working breeds. Nevertheless, we must keep in balance beauty as well the working abilities. Also today, we put emphasis on health of the dobermann (in other breeds too). When dobermann is not only beautifull but also healthy and has working drives, we have an ideal dog. DV does many efforts to solve all problems of our breed.

S.S: What is your attitude towards danger of health problems (DCM) and also of tendency to breed more and more heavier dobermanns?

A.T: Health problems existed also in the past but the difference is that then dogs were not examined or there was not the possibility to
make an examination because lack of medical facilities. Today, many health results are published and we can compare them which was
not possible before. It's a very positive aspect that we care about the health of our dobermanns and it doesn't matter if we are breeders
or just dog-owners. If we will eliminate ill dogs from breeding we will sort this problem out. If it comes to breeding heavier dobermanns, we can't forget that we have a dobermanns and not a rottweilers. We can't let our dogs to be too heavy or to exceed the height limit. We should keep the harmony between weight and height.

S.S: Dobermann cropped or uncropped? What kind of view do you take of it taking into account that it's forbidden to show cropped dobermann in many countries?

A.T: I'm very consequent about that matter. Real dobermann in my eyes is a cropped dobermann. It's also the philosophy if Mr. Louis
Dobermann (founder of the dobermann breed*). Some breeders after the ban of cropping some breeders they gave or changed breeds. To be honest, I would do the same but I need to emphasize that during judging I pay attention to every dog and I don't separate them on those who are cropped and those who aren't.


S.S: IDC in Russia, do you think it's possible in closest or distant future?

A.T: Of course, I think it is possible but there will be some negative factors towards this idea. At first the obligation of getting visa which is costly and not easy to get. In spite of everything, I would be very happy to see such a big event in Russia.

 

*translated into english by Michal Jakubowsky


Interview mit Anna Tits, Richterin und ZĂźchterin der russischen Dobermannzucht "iz Doma Domeni"

 

Sylwia Salmanowicz

"Elite House" kennel

October 2009

english version

italian version

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Anna Tits with puppies

 

 

Sylwia Salmanowicz: Wann und wie hat Ihr Abenteuer mit dem Dobermann angefangen?

Anna Tits: 1965 wollte unsere Familie einen Hund kaufen, meine Mutter hat mir einen Dobermann aus einer Verbindung zweier sehr schÜnen Eltern Gobbi und Westa - Moskausieger - ausgewählt, aus alten russischen Blutlinien, die das russische Militär aus Deutschland eingefßhrt hat. Mit Wego Grand hab ich mich schnell fßr alles was mit Hunden zu tun hatte begeistern lassen, wie die Hundeausbildung und Ausstellungen. Leider ging er aus Krankheitsgrßnden frßh von uns. Mein weiterer Dobermann stammte aus reinen deutschen Blutlinien. Meine Begeisterung steigerte sich immer mehr und ich belegte verschiedene kynologische Kurse (1970). In der Zeit, als Russland im FCI aufgenommen worden ist, habe ich meine Zucht "iz Doma Domeni" registriert.

S.S: Gibt es einen Dobermann aus der Vergangenheit, der Ihnen am meisten in Erinnerung geblieben ist?

Anna Titz: Jeder Hund hatte seinen ganz speziellen Charakter, der fĂźr mich besonders war, diese Frage habe ich mir in der Vergangenheit Ăśfter gestellt, doch konnte ich keine Antwort darauf finden, jeder von ihnen hat ein Platz in meinem Herzen gefunden.

S.S: Bitte, erzählen Sie in einigen Worten ßber Ihre Hßndin, die Sie aus Deutschland importiert haben - Mirakel von der RäuberhÜhle.

A.T: Zuerst hatte ich ihre Mutter Nemesis Figi von Koepsel auf einer grossen Schau in der Schweiz/Bern in der Jugendklasse gesehen und war begeistert von ihr. Ich habe die Familie MÜller kennengelernt und in den nächsten Jahren wollte ich eine Hßndin von Nemesis Figi haben. Ich habe einen Welpen aus der Verpaarung mit Alfa Adelante del Citone bekommen. Meine bekannte hat sie mir von Stuttgart nach Moskau gebracht, eine wunderschÜne Hßndin mit einem vorzßglichen aber auch engelhaften Charakter - nicht nur fßr die Arbeit, aber auch fßr das Familienzusammenleben. Sie wurde viel ausgestellt, wurde 6facher Champion, Rus Club Champion, Klassensiegerin auf der IDC 2000, HD-A, IPO I... Ich bin sehr stolz diese Hßndin besessen zu haben.

 

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Mirakel v.d Rauberhohle



S.S Haben Sie aus der Verbindung Mirakel/Jivago v.h. Wantij erwartet, daß zwei Brüder aus diesem Wurf, sich als solch bedeutenden Hunde, nicht nur für die Rasse in Russland, aber auch in Europa, erweisen?

A.T: Wie jeder Zßchter habe auch ich von jedem meiner Wßrfe etwas Besonderes erwartet. Es gibt leider keine Bedienungsanleitung fßrs Zßchten, man muss sich auf sein Instinkt sowie seine Erfahrung verlassen. Ich wählte mit Jivago einen Rßden aus, der die KÜpfe verbessert und kräftige Knochen vererbt, was mir im Ergebnis des Wurfes gelungen ist. Aus dem Wurf von 5 Welpen waren 3 auf der IDC 2003 platziert, was fßr mich fßr einen grossen Erfolg spricht. Dass die beiden Brßder Pimms und Punsh so erfolgreich werden, habe ich nicht erwartet, bin aber umso mehr stolz darauf.

S.S: Welcher dieser Brßder ist Ihnen näher - Pimm's oder Punsh?

A.T: Diese Frage empfinde ich als nicht fair. Beide RĂźden bedeuten mir sehr viel. Ich kann nur dazu sagen, dass Pimms nach Jivago und Punsh nach Mirakel/Alfa Adelante gegangen ist, und jeder von ihnen ist besonders.

 

 

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Pimms Number One iz Doma Domeni

 

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Punsh iz Doma Domeni



S.S: Ist es leicht, Dobermänner zu richten? Worauf achten Sie am meisten während des Richtens?

A.T: Viele Richter denken, diese Rasse ist leicht zu richten, aber ist genauso schwer wie bei anderen Rassen. Zuallererst achte ich auf den Standard, dass sie quadratisch sind, auf hohen Widerrist, dass die Brust nicht nur tief und breit ist, aber dass der hund eine schĂśne Vorbrust hat, auch sollte er als Arbeitshund eine schĂśne Kruppe haben, schĂśnen Brand, langen Kopf, und das Wichtigste ist, er muss einen schĂśnen Ausdruck haben.

S.S: Wie bewerten Sie die Entwicklung dieser Rasse?

A.T: In der Vergangenheit haben viele Ăźberwiegend nur auf die SchĂśnheit dieser Rasse geachtet, heute muss dieser Hund auch arbeiten kĂśnnen, also vorzĂźgliche Gebrauchshundeigenschaften vorweisen, wir mĂźssen nur darauf achten, dass nicht wie im umgekehrten Fall, die SchĂśnheit hierbei verloren geht. Auch wird heutzutage (wie auch bei vielen anderen Rassen) mehr auf die Gesundheit geachtet. Wenn der Dobermann also schĂśn + gesund + arbeitsfreudig ist - haben wir den gewĂźnschten Dobermann - der DV bemĂźht sich sehr, alle Probleme bezĂźglich der Rasse zu lĂśsen.

S.S: Wie sehen Sie Bedrohungen bezßglich der Gesundheit (DCM) oder auch dem Trend, immer schwerere Dobermänner zu zßchten?

A.T: Probleme bezĂźglich der Gesundheit hatten wir auch in der Vergangenheit, nur mit dem Unterschied, dass damals die Hunde nicht darauf untersucht wurden oder auch die MĂśglichkeiten der Untersuchungen nicht gegeben waren, weil u.a. die medizinischen MĂśglichkeiten nicht gegeben waren. Heutzutage sehen wir verschiedene Studien, Untersuchungsergebnisse werden verĂśffentlicht und wir haben die MĂśglichkeit des Vergleichs, was frĂźher nicht gegeben war. Es ist gut, dass wir uns dafĂźr interessieren, sei es ZĂźchter oder auch einfache Hundebesitzer, weil wir nur so Probleme aus der Welt schaffen kĂśnnen, indem wir kranke Hunde aus der Zucht ausschliessen.
Was den Trend, immer schwerere Dobermänner zu zßchten, angeht - wir sollten nicht vergessen, dass wir Dobermänner haben und nicht Rottweiler. Wir dßfen nicht zulassen, dass die Hunde zu schwer sind oder auch die HÜhengrenzen ßberschreiten. Wir mßssen die Harmonie beibehalten zwischen der GrÜsse und dem Gewicht.

S.S: Kupierter oder unkupierter Dobermann? Wie bereiten Sie sich auf die Einfuhr vom Ausstellungsverbot kupierter Hunde in immer mehr Ländern?

A.T: Ich bin da sehr konsequent, der wahre Dobermann ist in meinen Augen der kupierte Dobermann. Das entspricht auch der Philosophie des Herrn Luis Dobermann. Einige DobermannzĂźchter haben nach dem Kupierverbot die Rasse gewechselt, auch bin ich ehrlich, dass ich auch das tun wĂźrde. Jedoch muss ich hinzufĂźgen, dass ich beim Richten rein auf den Hund achte und kein Unterschied mache, ob kupiert oder unkupiert.

S.S: IDC in Russland, sind Sie der Meinung, daß das möglich ist in naher oder ferner Zukunft?

A.T: Natßrlich bin ich der Meinung, dass das mÜglich ist, jedoch sprechen andere Faktoren gegen diese Idee: erstens wßrde es fßr viele Menschen zu weit sein anzureisen, zweitens bräuchte jeder ein Visum, dass schwierig ist zu bekommen wie auch teuer ist.
Trotzdem wĂźrde es mich freuen, dieses grosse Event in Russland zu erleben.

 


BEYOND THE ATLANTIC,

A Synopsis of influential Dobermann in the USA and the importance of combinations between American and European dogs.

*written in March 2008

 

author:  D.K.  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


This article is just a short report, a synoptical resume of some dobermanns who had (have) determinative influence for the development of the breed in the USA and simultaneously an effort to render comprehensible the importance and the value of the mix between American and European bloodlines, in order to enlarge the genetic “pool” and produce also a great individuals by using different lines (or lines who have a common genetic base and origin in reality) as alternatives.

Obviously, under the normal restrictions of a brief article there are omissions and certainly, it is just a subjective personal point of view, not a complete report or a scientific statistic research.

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    It would be interesting to mention some great and also very influential dobermanns for the USA from different spaces of time, beginning from the decades of 20’s and 30’s with the influence of German (Sigalsburg) and Dutch (Koningstad) bloodlines. Some great specimens of this period are:

Prinz Favorit v.Koningstadz (Dutch-Am.Ch.Prinz Carlo v.Koningstad-Dutch Ch.Angola v.Grammont) (whelped 1921). A red Dutch bred male who made the breed popular in the USA. He was American champion and Westminster 1925 winner. Prinz Favorit produced 15 champions.


Prinz Favorit v. Koningstad

Illisa of Westphalia (Claus v.d.Spree-Prinses Illisa v.d.Koningstad) (whelped 1926) the brown female who was the only American bred dog who became German Siegerin (1929). Illisa was alsoAmerican Champion.She had one litter for the Westphalia’s kennel sired by the well known stud Helios v.Siegertor. Very important for the USA German bred stud Kurt v.d.Rheinperle Rhinegold (Ch.Astor of Westphalia-DVsgrn Anita Zur Immermannhoehe) was Illisa’s grandson.


Illisa of Westphalia

Kurt v.d. Rheinperle Rhinegold

The German bred male, DPCA 1934 Best of Breed-Champion and Sieger Muck v. Brunia (Lux v.Roedeltal-Hella v.Winterburg) (whelped in 1929) who was grandson of Alto v.Sigalsburg and top producer in Germany and in USA as well. Between his most famous progeny in Europe are litters ‘A’ and ‘B’ v.d.Domstadt and the great Troll v.Engelsburg (German-American and Canadian Champion-1935 World Winner-95 Best of breed awards and 48 Best in Show. Troll gave a large number of outstanding descendants in Europe. He was exported to USA but he was not used so often as stud. Inspite this fact he sired 13 American champions) Muck v.Brunia produced champion children also in the USA (for example the 5 champions of the ‘F” Lindenhof litter). Many of his grand-children became champions too. Muck v.Brunia is one of the most important males for the further development of the breed in Europe and America too.



Muck v. Brunia

Alto v. Sigalsburg

Troll v. Engelsburg

Another very influential dog during the 30’s was Jessy v.d. Sonnenhoehe (Charloc v.Rauhfelsen-Alice v.d.Sonnenhoehe) German bred female who is one of the most important females in history, having a large number of great descendants in Europe and USA. Her first mating to Troll v.Engelsburg in Germany produced the sieger Ferry v.Rauhfelsen (later exported to the USA where he became champion.He also was the first dobermann who got the best in show at Westminster in1939.Ferry was the father of 37 American champions) and the siegerin Freya v.Rauhfelsen. Especially in the US, Jessy produced 13 champions from only 2 litters(the first sired by Kurt v.Rheinperle and the second by Pericles of Westphalia). About 45 of her grand children became champions in America. Jessy was German Siegerin, 1937 DPCA best of breed and American champion.


Jessy v.d. Sonnenhoeh

Jessy v.d.Sonnenhoeh

  • The decade 1940-50 is considered as a determinative period in the American dobermann breeding history. It is the so-called era of “the seven sires”.According to Peggy Adamson’s article,”Illena and the Seven Sires” (written in 1951):The Seven Sires were responsible for an era in American Dobermans which was as exciting and colorful as the dogs themselves.  They towered over the Doberman world like mighty titans and the competition among them was brisk, awesome -- and sometimes fierce.  The dog magazines fattened on their advertising, the like of which the breed has not seen before or since. Their names were familiar to the veriest novice, and their offspring could be found in the remotest hinterlands.  Each had his loyal partisans, and the legends concerning them were inexhaustible.  With their passing, passes an era. History will not soon see the time when seven males of such stature live contemporarily again".

Those dogs were: 1) Ch.Westphalia’s Rameses (1938-1948) (Ch.Kurt v.d.Rheinperle Rhinegold-Jessy v.d.Sonnenhoeve) who was linebred to Helios v.Siegertor (imported from Germany). Rameses sired 11 champions. His father Kurt v.d.Rheinperle was not a succesful show dog but as a stud he produced 20 champions and his influence to the American breeding was of great importance. Rameses had 6 litter mates and all of them became champions like him.


Westphalia’s Rameses

2) Ch.Dow’s Illena of Marienland (whelped 1941) (Ch.Westphalia’s Rameses-Ch.Dow’s Cora v.Kienlesberg). Illena is the dam of 12 champions in 5 litters by 3 different males. Her mother was daughter of Kurt v.d.Rheinperle Rhinegold out of a half sister of Jessy v.Sonnenhoeve, named Ch.Gretel v.Kienlesberg. In the bloodline of Dow’s Cora v.Kienlesberg there is a strong influence of Helios v.Siegertor.

3) Ch.Westphalia’s Uranus (1939-49) (Pericles of Westphalia-Jessy v.Sonnenhoeve).He was a half-brother of Rameses. His father was son of Kurt v.Rheinperle Rhinegold who was the father of Rameses as well. Uranus gave to the breed 14 champions.


Westphalia’s Uranus

4) Ch.Favoriet v.Franzhof (1941-51) (Westphalia’s Uranus-Adele v.Meigel).His mother was daughter of Westphalia’s Rajah (full brother of Westphalia’s Rameses).The brown male Favoriet v.Franzhof was the sire of 13 champions.

5) Ch.Domossi of Marienland (1939-46) (Ch.Blank v.Domstadt-Ch.Ossi v.Stahlheim) who was full brother of the great Dictator v.Glenhugel.The number of champions sired by the brown Domossi of Marienland is 20.


Domossi of Marienland

6) Ch.Emperor of Marienland (1941-49) (Domossi of Marienland-Westphalia’s Rembha)who produced 18 champions.Emperor’s mother was sister of Westphalia’s Rameses.


Emperor of Marienland

7) Ch.Alcor v.Millsdod (1941-51) (Ch.Westphalia’s Uranus-Ch.Maida v.Coldod)who was 1946 and 1948 DPCA Best of Breed and winner at the Westminster show in 1947.His mother’s line was based in Sigalsburg’s blood in combination with the line of Muck v.Brunia.The German bred father of Maida v.Coldod,named Carlo v.Bassewitz, was American champion and he sired 13 Am.champions as well.Alcor was the father of 26 champions.


Alcor v. Millsdod

8) During the 40’s USA saw one of the best males ever in this country, the great brown sire (52 of his descendants became champions), Dictator v. Glenhugel (1941-1952) (15 BOB-5 BIS)(Blank v.d.Domstadt-Ossi v.Stahlhelm).Dictator was 1943 DPCA Best of Winners,1944 DPCA Best of Breed and 1945 Westminster Group Winner.His German bred mother was daughter of the very important German producer Troll v.Engelsburg and grand daughter of Muck v.Brunia, while his also German bred father(who was the sire of 15 champions) was son of Muck v.Brunia.


Dictator v. Glenhugel

Dictator v. Glenhugel

A very important dog at the period of 50’s was Rancho Dobe’s Storm (1949-60)  (Ch.Rancho’s Dobe Primo-Ch.Maedel v.Randahof). Even in Germany at this time there was no dog to beat him, according to specialists. He was shown 25 times and always was the best of breed, 22 times best of working group, 17 times best in show and 2 times best in show at Westminster(1952 and 1953). He sired 20 champions. The bloodline of Storm is strongly influenced by some dogs who had great contribution in the development of the breed in USA, like Kurt v.Rheinperle-Rhinegold, Jessy v.d.Sonnenhoehe, Troll v.Engelsbourg and Muck v.Brunia.Storm’s father, Rancho Dobe’s Primo was son of Alcor v.Millsdod out of Rancho Dobe’s Kashmir who was grand-daughter of Emperor v.Marienland and Westphalia’s Roxanna(sister of Rameses). Storm’s mother, Maedel v.Randahof, was grand daughter of Ferry v.Rauhfelsen and Muck v.Brunia.


Rancho Dobe’s Storm

One very impressive show dog was the black male named Am.-Can.-Cub.Ch. Borong the Warlock (1955-66) (Ch.Astor v.Grenzweg-Ch.Florowil Allure).Borong’s hereditary power demonstrated in his champion offspring and he became an important force for the breed during the 50’s and 60’s. He produced 39 champions.His mother was linebred in Dictator v.Glenhugel and she was also great grand-daughter of Emperor v.Marienland.Borong was 234 times BOB, 3 times winner of the DPCA National specialty (1956-57-60) and reserve Bundessieger.


Borong the Warlock

The decade of 70’s gave to the breed the amazing brown male Am.-Can.Ch. Marienburg’s Sunhawk (1973-1982) (Marienburg’s Sundancer-Ch.Marienburg’s Desert Flame,a brown to brown breeding) who was one of the high quality dobermans bred by Mrs Mary Rodgers.Sunhawk was the sire of 86 champions .He was top dobermann of the year 1976,DPCA National Specialty 1976 and 1978 best of breed, TOP20 1975 winner,he won 139 BOB,5 BIS and he was BOB at the westminster show in 1976.It is very interested to note that Dictator v.Glenhugel is present more than 20 times in his pedigree.Sunhawk’s daughter Ch. Marienburg’s Mary Hartman has the incredible record of the 44 BIS awards! She was also TOP20winner1978,Westminster group winner 1979, DPCA 1979 and 1983 best of breed and in 1978 she was No1 dog of all breeds!Mary Hartman is grand daughter of a superb show female the Am.-Can.-Mex.Ch.Sultana v. Marienburg (1963-74).Sultana won 37 best in show awards and 90 first group1.She was DPCA 1967 and 1968 best of breed and No1 dobermann in 1966 and 1967 and No2dog of all breeds.


Marienburg’s Sunhawk

Sultana v. Marienburg

One of the best stud dogs of the 80’s for the US was the Ch.Elektra’s the Windwalker (1981-1990) (Ch.Beaulane Windfall-Ch.Elektra’s Rally Round the Flag) who was admirable for the large number of his top class champion descendants.Windwalker was line bred on the important Ch. Gra-Lemor Demetrius vd Victor.


Elektra’s the Windwalker

Gra-Lemor Demetrius vd Victor

Between his descendants we can find one of the top show dogs in the US dob’s history, the brown female Royal Tudors Wild as the Wing (1984-1997) (Ch.Elektra’s the Windwalker-Array Exclusive), who was Top 20 winner 1987, best of breed in the DPCA Nationals (while best of opposite sex was her father Windwalker), No1 best dog of all breeds 1988, Westminster’s Winner 1989 and the only Ch.dobermann UDTX in history.

A bitch with extremely strong hereditary power was the Ch.Florowill Bit of Magic (1985-1995) (Ch.Tolivar’s Boo Radley Dob Mann-Brosam’s Magic Sundance), who is the top producing female in the breed’s history for the USA being the mother of 21 AKC champions.She was No1 top producing bitch of the DPCA 1992-93-94 and certainly she was a significant force for the breed in USA.


Florowill Bit of Magic

One of the greatest specimens of all times in USA is the Windwalker’s grandson,the superb brown champion Brunswig’s Cryptonite (Kafka) (1986-1995) (Ch.Beaulane the Nite Ryder-Brunswig’s Zephyr). Cryptonite was bred by Robert and Phyllis Farrier and handled by George Murray and he is the top winning dobermann of all times in the US and one of all the time top winning dogs of any breed!He is the second top sire(114 champions!!) in the US dob’s history (the first is his grandson Cabria’s Cactus Cash!). Kafka was shown 428 times and won 392 times the BOB award,he had 350 group placements,258 group firsts and 124 BIS awards!!! The legendary Brunswig’s Cryptonite is a great force for the development of the breed not only in the USA.It is worth noticing that his strong influence can be found even in Brazil.His son,the Br.-Can.-Jap.-Pan/Am.-Lat/Am.-Int.Ch.Charleston Yankee (1996-2006) is the top dobermann of all times in Brazil.Yankee won 43 best in show awards,35 reserves in 3 continents,he also won 150 best of breed and he is the sire of over 50 champions and several multi best in show winners in 4 continents.Yankee’s mother,named Am.-Br.Ch.Gipsy Storm Charleston is great grand daughter of Cryptonite too!


Brunswig’s Cryptonite

Cabria’s Cactus Cash

  • During the decade ’80-’90 the combinations between European and American bloodlines have been very famous and very successful (especially for the kennels Marienburg’s and Cara’s).Two European bred dogs had a tremendous impact at this period and played a significant role as reproductive dogs of note:

The black stud Dexter v.Franckenhorst (1984-1996) who was bred in Holland by the legendary Mrs Sonia Franquemont-Freudenberg and exported to Marienburg’s kennel. He was the sire of more than 30 champions. A large number of his grandchildren and great grand-children became champions too. According to J.M.v.d.Zwan (“In the Beggining...A History of the Dobermann”-3rd edition 1999 -page 338) Dexter is the most influencial dobermann that came to the USA after the second world war.” Dexter v.Franckenhorst was son of the Dutch-German-International champion Arrow v.Harro’s Berg (Salvador v.Franckenhorst-Vitesse v.Franckenhorst) and Vitesse’s full sister Vivre Vivien v.Franckenhorst (Nimrod Hilo v.Franckenhorst-Medina dei Piani Praglia) who was French-German champion and DV Siegerin and she is considered as one of the greatest breeding bitches in the history of the breed in Europe. Dexter’s hereditary power was extremely valuable for the USA while at the same time his sister, the Dutch-German-International champion-Bundessiegerin-VDH-Europa Siegerin-IDC Vice Siegerin 1986 Dea Dolores v.Franckenhorst had a unique contribution in the development of the breed in Europe being one of the breed’s most important females. One of the sons of Dea Dolores, the great Ger-Int. Ch.-Dutch winner1991-DV sieger1991-IDC sieger1993 Graaf Quirinus v.Neerlands Stam (1987-1998) (bred by the well known J.M.v.d.Zwan) was the most influential stud during the ‘90’s in Europe and one of the greatest of all times like his legendary father, the DV sieger 1982-VDH-German-Int.Ch-SCH3-IPO3-Landes gruppen sieger’81-82-83-Angekoert Hertog Alpha le Dobry (1979-91).


The black female VDH-D-INT Ch.-Bundessiegerin-DV Siegerin-SCH3-ZTP Alida v.Flandrischen Loewen (1984-1993), a German bred daughter of IDC-DV- Europa Sieger-Bundessieger-SchH 3-Koerung 1A(for life) Ali v.Langenhorst and German-International Ch.-Bundessiegerin (at the age of just 18 months!) SCH3 Alexa v.Heiderhof (6 of her siblings were champions and Sch3, while her champion children and grandchildren represent her in an extremely large number of countries). Alida v.Flandrischen Loewen played a very important role for the international development of the breed. Before being exported to the USA (to the former president of the DPCA and owner of Cara’s kennel Ray Carlisle) she had one litter in Europe for the famous Norden Stamm kennel of Jens Kollenberg, sired by German-Spanish-International Ch.-Bundessieger-IDC 1987 sieger Ebo v.d.Groote Maat (Egor v.d.Eland-Barones Eva v.Rensloo). This remarkable litter produced 5 champions including the unique brown female Kalina v.Norden Stamm, who is the one of top winning dobermans in Europe and one of the most titled dobermans in the history of the breed! (as well as her sister Mia!) Kalina never was beaten for a Sieger title! The only female who won her for a CAC award was her full sister Mia v.Norden Stam (Ebo v.d.Groote Maat-Anka v.Flandrischen Loewen). Alida’s 2 litters in the USA (the first sired by Ch.Elektra’s the Windwalker and the second by the Elektra’s son Ch.Akela’s the Vindicator, TOP 20 winner 1989) produced 7 champions.Her excellent phenotype and genotype and her amazing results in the litter box (totaly 12 champions ,1 IDC siegerin,1 Angekoert, 9 SCH titles, 4CDs, 1CDX) made her one of the most important females in the breed history. Alida’s offspring can be found on every continent in 28 countries!


Alida v. Flandrischen Loewen

Alida v. Flandrischen Loewen

  • Nowadays the use of European studs in the American breeding has been rather limited but in spite of this fact we can still find characteristics examples of mixed combinations in the USA:

The most important producer in Europe during the last ten years and one of the greatest in the history of the breed is without any doubt the superb IDC 2001 Sieger-Welt.-DV Sieger –ZTP-SCH3-Angekoert Gino Gomez del Citone (1-9-1997) bred by the famous breeder, judge and AIAD president Dr.P.Pezzano. Gino Gomez is the incest product of a full brother-sister combination between the SCH1-ZTP Astor del Citone and the Int.-It.-Ger.Ch.- Bundessiegerin-DV-AIAD-IDC siegerin-IPO1-ZTP Arielle D’Amour del Citone. They were children of the Int.-It.Ch.-AIAD Sieger-SCH2-ZTP Prinz v.Norden Stamm(It.ch.-Bundessieger-IDC 1986 sieger-SCH3-ZTP Quinn dei Nobili Nati - SCH3-ZTP- KOERUNG Kastra v.Norden Stamm) and the incomparable Tequila Mali del Citone (described below). In the line of Gino Gomez there is a strong genetic influence of the fabulous Int.-It.Ch.-Bundessieger 1984-SCH3 Elisir di Campovalano bred by the great Gabriele Prosperi. Elisir is one of the most determinative genetic factors in the formation of the modern dobermann type in Europe. He was also the result of an incest mating between Cito and Caienna di villa Castelli (Aldo v.Ferrolheim-Rada del Verdiano).Gino Gomez sired a large number of champion and sieger progeny in every part of Europe and he has sired more IDC siegers than any other stud in the history of the breed. His exceptional beauty and his impressive stud records captured the imagination of the breeders not only in Europe but also in the USA where he produced champion children and grand-children. His first American bred champion son is Ch.Kansa’s Primus Inter Pares out of Ch.Kansa’s Girls Juswana Havfun, who is great grand-daughter of Brunswig’s Cryptonite. One more Gino’s champion descendant for Kansa’s kennel is Ch.Kansa’s Out all Nite v.Tristar. Her mother named Kansa’s a Touch of Class is daughter of Nello’s Lex Luthor(described below). It is worthy of being spoken of Gino’s son, the Int.-UKC-Can.Ch.-ZTP-IPO2-VPG3-Koerung Bell’Lavoros Dio Di Giove, who is the only American bred dog who passed the most prestigious test of character and structure, the tough German Koerung. His mother is Cara’s Matik Gift for Gab (ZTP-SCH3) and her genotype is 3/4 European,based mostly in Franckenhorst-Norden Stamm-Campovalano and Roveline blood while the American line in her pedigree goes back to Elektra’s the Windwalker.



Gino Gomez del Citone


Gino Gomez del Citone - Korung

Gino Gomez del Citone - Korung


Tequila Mali del Citone

  • Similar types of combinations between European and American dogs can be found in Europe as well:

The black male named Marienburg’s Dark Daimler (born in 1989) (Marienburg’s Morocco-Dolly v.Franckenhorst) who has been exported during the 90’s from USA to Europe (in Franckenhorst kennel) played a significant role as stud. He was line bred in the famous “D” Franckenhorst litter in combination with the line of Marienburg’s Sunhawk. Dark Daimler’s mating with the DV Siegerin-world ch.-multi ch.Golda v.Franckenhorst produced the “Z” litter for the Franckenhorst kennel (1992). Analytically their most influential progeny were:


Marienburg’s Dark Daimler

Zoe v.Franckenhorst (champion class winner in IDC 1994, while her sister Zenda was 2nd in working class).Zoe is the mother of IDC 1999 Siegerin Quaresse d’Islamorada (sired by the Int.-It.-VDH Ch.- Bundessieger-DV-AIAD- IDC 1997 sieger-ZTP-Sch3 and great producer Alfa Adelante del Citone, a real legend of the breed) who is the mother of the IDC 2003 siegerin Ramona Rashi del Citone (sired by Gino Gomez del Citone). Zoe’s daughter, coming from her first mating with Alfa Adelante is the Italian champion Dali Dorena del Citone as well. Dali Dorena gave birth to the AIAD Junior siegerin-Int.-It.ch.Alba Chiara del Monte Aspro (father in this case was Gino Gomez).

Zari v.Franckenhorst, who was not a succesful show-dog like her sisters (Zenda and Zoe). However, she had a very good results in the litter box. She was mated to the VDH-Belg-Lux-Int.Ch.Floijdt v.Savelsbos and gave a birth to the Greek champion and DVGR siegerin Grazia v.Franckenhorst and her sister Grafin Goldie v.Franckenhorst(Ipo3-ZTP). Next, Grafin Goldie gave birth to the FCI 2002 world champion-DV sieger-VDH-Int.-Multi Ch.Vero v.h.Wantij out of the very importand Dutch bred producer Jivago v.h.Wantij. Zari’s son from her litter with Floijdt, named Gad v.Franckenhorst, was the father of Ela Esmeralda Sawages (in combination with the very important female Int.-Yu.Ch.Heidy Royal Bell). Ela Esmeralda gave to the breed the amazing Int.-multi Ch.-vice world winner 2006 Wild Cherry di Altobello out of the legendary brown sire,the Int.-Yu.-Hu.ch.-IDC 1997 class winner- IDC 1998 sieger Baron Nike Renewal.

The hereditary powers of Marienburg’s Dark Daimler were very valuable for the Belgian Ramonburg’s kennel. He sired some excellent progeny out of Ch.Qalina v.d.Donken (daughter of Graaf Quirinus v.Neerlands Stam) like for example the Dutch-Lux.-VDH Ch.-Vice DV and Vice IDC siegerin Ramonburg’s Tequila in 1995,the Sw.-Fin.-Dan.-Nord.-Int.Ch.Ramonburg’s Unique in 1996 and the Germ.VDH Ch.-Vice IDC Jugend sieger Ramonburg’s Valdo in 1997. Valdo is the father of the European Youth ch.-Dutch ch.-Top UK brood bitch 2007 Aritaur Dominatrix in combination with Crislea Centrefold of Aritaur, a daughter of the top stud dog in the UK (1993) Ch.Holtzburg Mayhem. Ramonburg’s Tequila is the mother of the Norw.-Dut.Ch.Ken-Ti’s Bongo in combination with the great producer,the It.ch.-DV-BD-AIAD-IDC’99 Junior sieger-AIAD 2001 sieger Nitro del Rio Bianco.

We can also find champion progeny of Marienburg’s Dark Daimler at the famous Hungarian Tahi Reme kennel of the well known judge and breeder Erika Szokol. His mating with Tahi Reme Judy (her line was a mixing between Franckenhorst, Nymphenburg,Eschenhof,Ferrolheim blood) produced the Int.-Hu.Ch.Tahi-Reme Porthos Niko and the Hu.Ch.Tahi-Reme Paco.

Another very successful mating during the 90’s is the one between the unique 1993 Bundessiegerin-AIAD-IDC siegerin,1994 world champion,Italian-German-International champion-SCH1-ZTP Tequila Mali del Citone(1991-1996)(Lucifer v.Roveline-Haina del Citone), a magnificent female who is considered by many specialists as one of the greatest breed’s specimens of all times, and the Greek champion and DVGR sieger Holmrun Phabio of Marienburg (1993-2002) (Marienburg’s Blackstone-Holmrun Page of Marienburg). In Phabio’s line there is strong genetic influence of the great Dexter v.Franckenhorst in combination with the blood of Marienburg’s Sunhawk (7 crosses to Sunhawk) while in Tequila’s pedigree we can find many important champions and siegers, like the Dutch bred dual IDC (1988 and 1989) sieger -Bundessieger-Europa-DV sieger-IPO3 Baron Bryan v.Harro’s Berg (Baron Cecar v.Rensloo-Vitesse v.Franckenhorst), who was one of the greatest show dogs of all times in Europe (even at the age of 9 years he was best of breed at the Dutch champion show!) The result of this mating was the amazing Crystal Conny del Citone (1995-2001) (Greek and international champion,IDC 1997 champion class winner,vice aiad siegerin 1998). This very important line gave to the breed in Europe a large number of  champion and sieger descendants (like for example the AIAD sieger Quillam Quasim del Citone and the Greek Ch.Kevin King del Citone) and her influence is present as well to the It.-Int.Ch.-IDC-AIAD 2004 Sieger  Hangar dei Sauli Grimaldi, to the It.Ch.-AIAD siegerin 2006 Runa Robi dei Nobili Nati, to the Int.-Multi Ch.-AIAD sieger 2007 Jerome Favola di Satti and also to the It.Ch.- IDC 2006 sieger-AIAD 2007 sieger Pathos delle Querce Nere.


Holmrun Phabio of Marienburg


Crystal Cony del Citone


Kevin King del Citone

Quilam Quasim del Citone

  • Some other remarkable dogs of note, including the important Argentinian bred dogs ,who have been very influential for the modern American doberman’s breeding history, that must be mentioned in this short report are:

The top producing sire in the US breed’s history, the great Ch. Cambria’s Cactus Cash (1994-2002) (sire of 144 champions as at June 2007!) (Ch.Rahdy’s Sail the Seven Seas-Ch.Cambria’s Nocona V Texas). Cactus Cash was top producing sire of all breeds in the US three times:2001-2003-2004.Among his progeny 12 won the BIS award and 23 had very important acchivements in DPCA Nationals,TOP 20 and Westminster shows as well. It is interesting to note that Cactus Cash is a line breeding to the legendary Brunswig’s Cryptonite.

The TOP20 contender 1998-1999-2000,multiple best in show winner,DPCA grand prize futurity winner 1996 Am.Ch.Darwin’s Dance of the Hour (1995-2005).His father the Am.ch.Maco’s Sugar Twin was grandson of Sunhawk and his mother the Am.ch.Darwin’s Fantasia was grand daughter of Royal Tudor’s Wild as the Wing.Darwin’s Dance of the Hour sired 23 American and 3 Canadian champions,4 TOP 20 finalists and the 1998 and 2000 DPCA grand prize futurity winners. He was also the stud dog winner at the DPCA 2000 National specialty.

The unique Marienburg’s Repo Man (1998-2004), son of the famous Argentine producer Nello’s Lex Luthor. Repo Man has 55 BIS awards, he is the DPCA National Speciality 2002 Winner,the No1 working dog in 2002 and he is the sire of 46 American champions (untill October 2005). His mother, named Ch.Marienburg’s Coral Pendant, is grand-daughter of Dexter v.Franckenhorst and Dea Dolores v.Franckenhorst too and her line is a mixing between the European Franckenhorst, Neerlands Stam and Norden Stamm blood.



Marienburg’s Repo Man


Nello’s Lex Luthor

Repo Man’s father, the Argentinian bred Nello’s Lex Luthor (1996-2004) (Arg.Ch Will Ross Opium-Nello’s Eureka Black) is a real legend of the breed in Argentina. His line goes back to the unique Marienburg’s Sunhawk (13 crosses to Sunhawk) and his show career is trully splendid. Lex Luthor was International, Brazilian, Argentinian, American champion,first rankings DCA 1998-1999-2000-2001-2002,TOP 20 winner in Argentina 1996-USA 2000-Brasil 2000, 2003 (getting his 4th award of merit at the age of 7 1/2 years) and he also had more than 200 BIS in Argentina.Lex Luthor sired 40 American champions and 100 world wide.

His son out of Cindy de Black Shadow (her line goes back 2 times in 3rd generation in Brunswig’s Cryptonite and 1 in Dexter v.Franckenhorst) the Argentinian bred Am.-Mex.-Arg.-Int.Ch.Inaqui de Black Shadow (whelped in 2002) is the FCI world champion 2005 and the sire of many champions in USA as well.


Inaqui de Black Shadow

A new promissing star (already father of champions) exported from Argentina to the USA (to Aquarius kennel) is the superb Am.Ch.Trotyl de Black Shadow (whelped in 2005) who is son of Inaqui out of Arg Ch.Jessy de Vulcano (grand daughter of Marienburg’s Morocco).


Trotyl de Black Shadow



Trotyl de Black Shadow

The year 2000 gave to the breed the amazing brown male Am.-Can.-Int.Ch. Aeolus Arabian Knight, son of Cambria’s Cactus Cash and Aeolus Little Bit O’Gipsy. He is TOP 20 finalist of the years 2003-04-05-06 and he is the sire of more than 30 champions. At his bloodline we find the strong influence of Brunswig’s Cryptonite and Elektra’s the Windwalker(not only through “Kafka” but also through Arabian Knight’s grand-mother Ch.Glen Coe’s Laura Ashley who is line breeding to Windwalker). A mixing of this bloodline to the legendary line of Nello’s Lex Luthor in Argentina (the mating between Ch.Aeolus Arabian Knight and Ch.Arg.-Urug.Luna de Akido San) produces two excellent specimens, the Arg.-Bras.Ch.Alex de Akido San and his sister Arg.-Bras.Ch.Athena de Akido San.


Aeolus Arabian Knight



Alex de Akido San


Athena de Akido San

A very interesting sire of multiple champions is the Can.Ch.Marienburg’s Little Big Man (18-2-2001) (Marienburg’s Repo Man-Marienburg’s Song of the South). His father’s line has been described above while his mother is daughter of the Am.Ch.Marienburg’s Love Potion (a female who is mainly built up out of Dexter v.Franckenhorst) in combination with the amazing producer Ch.Soquel’s Distant Thunder (1996-2006) (Ch.Soquel’s Thunder Storm-Ch.Helena’s Marian of Dubois) who is the sire of more than 75 champions descendants and in his pedigree there is a very interesting doubling up in 3rd generation on Ch.Teraden’s the Chocolate Soldier (1981-1994) (Ch.Lujac’s Daniel-Ch.Teraden’s Red Hot Sizzle).


Marienburg’s Little Big Man


Teraden’s the Chocolate Soldier

The best of breed at the DPCA national specialty 2007,Am.ch.Cha-Rish Star Quest Blu-J’s “Hunter” (12-04-2002) who was also best of breed and working group 2nd at the Westminster 2005. He already produced many champion progeny and he is the sire of 4 TOP20 contenters too.He got the 1st place in stud dog class at the DPCA 2007. His father named Ch.Cha-Rish the Rain Storm is a Cryptonite’s grandson while his dam Ch.Blu-J’s Wind Star Cha-Rish is great grand daughter of Cryptonite too.


Rish Star Quest Blu-J’s

Rish Star Quest Blu-J’s

Another brilliant dog of the new millenium is the black male Ch.Dabney’s Phenomenon (25-3-2003) (son of the 2006 westminster show best of breed Ch.Eastwicks Meadow Monster (who is grandson of Cambria’s Cactus Cash) and Ch.Dabney’s I Can’t Wait). A real phenomenon who finished his champion title at the age of 8 months in 10 shows with 3 majors! He is the TOP 20 winner 2006 and TOP 20 finalist 2005,DPCA Nationals AOM 2004-2005-2006,best of opposite sex at 2007 and 2008 Westminster’s show,DPCA No1 dobermann(2006-2007), No2 working dog 2007,No12 all breeds dog 2007,No4 working dog 2008,winner of the Pro Plan champions cup 2007, also winner of some of the most important shows in the USA including Chicago International and Cleeveland Classic,winner of 42 specialty best in show and winner of 30 all breeds best in show! Dabney’s Phenomenon is already the sire of more than 15 champions.


Dabney’s Phenomenon


Eastwicks Meadow Monster


Dabney’s Phenomenon

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